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email from Randall Easter | 25 January 2008 | Randall Easter

Posted on 01/27/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg

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To: Lord_Calvinus
NO KING BUT JESUS!!!

AMEN!!!

581 posted on 01/30/2008 2:25:36 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Forest Keeper
When we Reformers practice apologetics with Apostolics we frequently quote from Paul and the OT because THAT'S where many of the disagreements are. Apostolics generally don't "like" Paul because he so often trashes your Tradition. So, we back up our objections with Paul.

In addition, Apostolics don't generally "like" the OT because they think it portrays a God that doesn't fit the Church's model. "God is love and nothing more" (by human definition) and that sort of thing. So, to illustrate the FULL revelation of God to man, we quote from the OT. Now, if you observed Reformers practicing apologetics with atheists, then you would see us quoting from the Gospels every bit as much as you ever would yourselves.

ALL scripture is God's TRUTH.

AMEN, FK!

582 posted on 01/30/2008 2:32:01 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Uncle Chip
...all the way through chapter 13 which says:

"Love rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth." [I Corinthians 13:6]

A Christian's love rejoices in the truth.

Amen. Well said!

583 posted on 01/30/2008 2:34:29 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr; Forest Keeper
We consider Paul to be pretty well on a par with Peter as the greatest of the Apostles, with all the others as lessers.

LOL. Then stop criticizing the Reformers for quoting Paul since we do so not to the exclusion of the words of Christ, but in tandem with them.

584 posted on 01/30/2008 2:38:43 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Wow. An entire Sunday school lesson in one post. Thank you!


585 posted on 01/30/2008 2:40:10 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: r9etb; Uncle Chip; Forest Keeper; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; the_conscience; Lord_Calvinus; ...
As it happens, there are a number of elements of Catholic doctrine with which I disagree. I'm not a Catholic.

Since you keep repeating this over and over and over, please back up your assertions by telling us some of the "elements of Catholic doctrine" you "disagree" with.

And because you're very quick with criticism, and because you continually tell us you "are not a Catholic," please enlighten us as to what faith you practice or what church you belong to.

cosmetic differences

I've never met a Protestant who believed the differences between Bible-believing Christians and the RCC were "cosmetic."

Far from it.

586 posted on 01/30/2008 2:47:48 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Lord_Calvinus
Wonderful post, L-C! Every word God-glorifying.

There is the view of the Catholic Church, a view espoused more and more by Protestants: Justification is making a man righteous in his own person. It is by faith and works that a man is transformed in the righteous person that is justified before God.

And, there is Sola Fide, by faith alone that a man is justified. This is the view of Luther and the Reformers. Justification is forensic. We are declared righteous through the imputation of the "alien" righteousness of Christ to us.

AMEN!

Rome is wrong. Let her repent of her vain attempts to become righteous and her blasphemies against Christ. Let her discard her filthy rags and embrace the righteousness from God. Let her take up the message of outreach: God sees men righteous solely because of the blood of Christ. Simul Iustus et Peccator. Your contribution to your salvation: your sin. God's contribution to your salvation: the grace of God which was shed. God justifies the ungodly. This is the message of salvation. This is the message of the Reformers.

Preach it, brother!!!

587 posted on 01/30/2008 2:54:04 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

I made a simple observation (so I thought) question on another site, in response to a news report of the pope condemning the distribution of condemns at the festival in Brazil in the near future.

My observation: “Pity the pope doesn’t get angry about people worshiping idols and men, or about people trusting in works and dead women to save their souls.”

Lots more, here - http://www.haloscan.com/comments/americanpapist/3487308426837623122/?src=hsn


588 posted on 01/30/2008 2:55:44 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Marysecretary; wmfights
I find that people of other faiths really believe in what they've been taught (like we have) and it's tough to reach them. I know I don't have the words or the knowledge to rebuke their teachings. I only have the 'basics' and hope that's enough but I don't have faith in my own ability to do even that.

"I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase." -- 1 Corinthians 3:6

When I first began posting to the RF, a FRiend advised me to simply rely on the word of God because it is best rebuke, rebuttal and resource on earth.

If the Holy Spirit decides to open someone's eyes, praise God. If not, we've still done as He commanded us to do -- preach the word in truth in season and out.

589 posted on 01/30/2008 3:13:46 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: sandyeggo
That's really such a broad statement it cannot be effectively addressed in a simple post. What rules? When, where, how? Liturgically? Sacramentally? How deeply have you researched this problem?

What??? You think a Protestant should research a Catholic problem and offer up Church discipline? I'd be laughed out of the Vatican. There are a number of posts of Catholic misdeeds. Nothing is ever acted upon. It is nice to see that they are taking some steps to address the pedophile issue but it comes after billions of dollars in judgments.

Again, such a broad statement.

This is simply a diversion.

If I was to point out this specific article as an example, undoubtedly I would hear this is an isolated instance. However, if I speak in generalities you say it's too broad. So let's focus on the email. Do you honestly think the archbishop is doing anything to discourage the pagan customs listed in this email? Do you think there is any Church discipline that is going to be exercised?

590 posted on 01/30/2008 3:30:46 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Great homepage. Very very sweet and moving and solid.

"...our message is not a compromise but an ultimatum." -- A.W. Tozer

AMEN!

(Be careful on the bike)

8~)

591 posted on 01/30/2008 3:33:35 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr
So Paul is entirely right, and Peter, James, John, and Jesus are entirely wrong? You guys are entirely funny. The misunderstanding of Paul trumps the words of Jesus.

Funny, I don't believe Paul ever said Jesus was wrong.

592 posted on 01/30/2008 3:36:44 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Manfred the Wonder Dawg; Lord_Calvinus; the_conscience; wmfights; Forest Keeper; Quix; ...
As for "Catholic discipline" within the Catholic church, I urge EVERYONE to rent the award-winning documentary on DVD, "Deliver Us From Evil," which is about the recent sex scandals in the RCC.

L.A. Cardinal Mahoney's blind eye and ugly indifference while he's being deposed are terrifying to watch, which in turn led to the L.A. Archdiocese paying out $660 million in one day alone!

I'd even recommend watching this documentary with your children (older than 12 perhaps.) It's important to teach children that even men who tell the world they are "another Christ" can commit terrible, life-destroying sins and then lie about them.

And the RCC will stand mute for as long as it can to protect them.

593 posted on 01/30/2008 3:47:15 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD; MarkBsnr
After criticizing our use of Paul's words in Scripture, Mark then tells us in post 508...

"We consider Paul to be pretty well on a par with Peter as the greatest of the Apostles, with all the others as lessers."

So there's no pleasing some people.

594 posted on 01/30/2008 3:50:24 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Many thanks. Yes, I ride with the counsel of one of my favorite theologians, Dirty Harry: “A man’s gotta know his limitations” - and those of his bike. And that he’s invisible to all the cars and trucks, etc.

As Martin Luther put it - “Peace if possible, Truth at all costs.”

I just rec’d an email from 9Marks - a wonderful ministry focused on helping churches be Biblical. The first 2 pages of this report - http://involve.9marks.org/site/DocServer/2007_Report_Card.pdf?docID=281
are devastating to the man-pleasing churches in our midst.


595 posted on 01/30/2008 3:53:04 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Mad Dawg

Thanks for the heads up.

“And the RCC will stand mute for as long as it can to protect them.”

That’s a good point. I wonder what our own “Dr Phil” thinks of this phenomenon?


596 posted on 01/30/2008 3:55:29 PM PST by the_conscience (McCain/Thompson 08)
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To: Marysecretary
I know I don’t have the words or the knowledge to rebuke their teachings. I only have the ‘basics’ and hope that’s enough but I don’t have faith in my own ability to do even that.

Don't be intimidated by those with the seminary degrees, or the long wordy answers. It's real simple. If something is being stated as a fact ask where is it understandable in the Bible. If you can't find it in the Bible, guess what it's probably not good.

597 posted on 01/30/2008 3:58:41 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Lord_Calvinus
...thought that they were a member of the Church and the body of Christ by the declaration of men only to hear the awful words “I NEVER knew you.”

What a frightening thought.

598 posted on 01/30/2008 4:02:00 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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To: Marysecretary; Campion
I KNOW I’m saved. God’s Spirit witnesses to my spirit that I am and my life will never be the same.

Amen!

It is an inner desire that changes. As you mature in your Christian walk the desire grows to do good things and the desire to do bad things diminishes. It is the work of the Holy Spirit in us.

599 posted on 01/30/2008 4:06:19 PM PST by wmfights (Believe - THE GOSPEL - and be saved)
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