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Papal Indulgences, Two Ways: Easy and Hard
The New York Times ^
| December 5, 2007
| Mike Nizza
Posted on 12/06/2007 7:03:33 AM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
Loving the media reaction.....
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posted on
12/06/2007 7:46:32 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Alex Murphy
You are always thorough in your research and faithfully posting here....
Your thoughts, please?
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posted on
12/06/2007 7:59:48 AM PST
by
Wings-n-Wind
(The main things are the plain things!)
To: Alex Murphy
The door for indulgences is not always open, though, and for years after the Vatican Council reforms of the 1960s, they were rarely offered until 2000, when Pope John Paul II started using them to attract pilgrims to World Youth Day. That statement is completely false.
Certain specific indulgences are only available at certain times, but there's a long list of acts which are indulgenced, have been for a long time, and are available to any Catholic in a state of grace any time he wishes to make use of them.
Saying the rosary in a group and/or before the Blessed Sacrament is an indulgenced act, for example. That's pretty easy to do.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:07:21 AM PST
by
Campion
To: Alex Murphy
I believe the current regulations are
here "Devoutly" reading Sacred Scripture for 30 minutes is worthy of a plenary indulgence. Those bad, bad Catholics -- tacking an indulgence onto Bible study. Who do they think they are?
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:13:13 AM PST
by
Campion
To: Gamecock; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg
"Devoutly" reading Sacred Scripture for 30 minutes is worthy of a plenary indulgence. No wonder Protestants don't believe in Purgatory - according to the rules, we've already gotten ourselves out of it!
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:33:04 AM PST
by
Alex Murphy
("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
To: Campion
It’s the NYT. You expected accuracy?
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:35:29 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg
LOL! That's obtained "under the normal conditions," which are:
-Sacramental confession. A single sacramental confession suffices for gaining several plenary indulgences; but Communion must be received and prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff must be recited for the gaining of each plenary indulgence.
-Eucharistic Communion.
-Prayer for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff. The condition of praying for the intention of the Sovereign Pontiff is fully satisfied by reciting one Our Father and one Hail Mary; nevertheless, each one is free to recite any other prayer according to his piety and devotion.
-It is further required that all attachment to sin, even venial sin, be absent. If the latter disposition is in any way less than perfect or if the prescribed three conditions are not fulfilled, the indulgence will be partial only.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:36:12 AM PST
by
Pyro7480
("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
To: Pyro7480; Gamecock; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg
ROTFL - “the devil’s in the details,” as they say!
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:37:59 AM PST
by
Alex Murphy
("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
To: Alex Murphy
Well, actually, from the site to which Campion referred:
Beside the exclusion of all attachment to sin, even venial sin, the requirements for gaining a plenary indulgence are the performance of the indulgenced work and fulfillment of three conditions: sacramental confession, eucharistic communion, and prayer for the pope's intentions.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:39:19 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Campion
"Devoutly" reading Sacred Scripture for 30 minutes is worthy of a plenary indulgence.Doesn't fit the paradigm. It will be overlooked in the coming assault.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:41:42 AM PST
by
Mad Dawg
(Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
To: Alex Murphy
No wonder Protestants don't believe in Purgatory - according to the rules, we've already gotten ourselves out of it! Is that 30 minutes per day, 30 minutes per sin, 30 minutes for a 4th level sin of the second order? These works get so complicated.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:44:46 AM PST
by
DungeonMaster
(WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
To: DungeonMaster
These works get so complicated. Nonsense. Bible study is so easy, any plowman or milkmaid can do it.
And 30 minutes counts for everything up to that point, if you meet all of the conditions.
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posted on
12/06/2007 8:50:24 AM PST
by
Campion
To: Campion; DungeonMaster
Bible study is so easy, any plowman or milkmaid can do it. Not true. Remember, the Catholic Church teaches that the plowman or milkmaid can understand it w/o the Magisterium telling them what it means.
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posted on
12/06/2007 9:06:18 AM PST
by
Alex Murphy
("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
To: Campion
And 30 minutes counts for everything up to that point, if you meet all of the conditions. With those conditions being....?
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posted on
12/06/2007 9:07:11 AM PST
by
DungeonMaster
(WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
To: DungeonMaster
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posted on
12/06/2007 9:11:20 AM PST
by
Campion
To: Alex Murphy; DungeonMaster
Not true. Remember, the Catholic Church teaches that the plowman or milkmaid can understand it w/o the Magisterium telling them what it means. Not relevant since DM is not a Catholic.
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posted on
12/06/2007 9:12:26 AM PST
by
Campion
To: Campion
Well that's very wierd but the most wierd is "prayer for the pope's intentions".
What in the world is that?
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posted on
12/06/2007 9:58:29 AM PST
by
DungeonMaster
(WELL I SPEAK LOUD, AND I CARRY A BIGGER STICK, AND I USE IT TOO!)
To: DungeonMaster
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posted on
12/06/2007 10:06:47 AM PST
by
bonfire
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