Posted on 10/08/2007 6:08:42 AM PDT by NYer
AMEN on all counts.
Have long had great admiration and love for SALVATION. I consider him a Dear Bro in Christ. My strong impression is that he mostly has his spiritual ducks & priorities in a row.
I have a certain amount of fun popping 'sacred' balloons; slaying sacred cows. Ostentacious, phoney, arrogant etc. authority has always begged for such responses, imho. And, perhaps some have noted, I'm not too bashful but to offer such up.
HOWEVER, there's an eternal priority that is absolutely paramount
I'm utterly CONVINCED IN EVERY WAY AT EVERY LEVEL that for a certain unknown percentage of precious RC folks . . . the Marion hogwash will prove to be eternally deadly. ETERNALLY DEADLY.
The FIRST COMMANDMENT WAS TO HAVE NO AS IN NO OTHER GODS BEFORE GOD. That includes the Mother of Jesus.
The rationalization is pontifacted that Prottys know little of veneration, adoration etc. HOGWASH. Rationalized special worship terms do not hide the attitude of the heart.
Given that God has decreed that mercy triumphs over justice, it MAY BE [NO guarantee] that God will excuse some folks' over-weening adoration of Mary because He knows in their hearts they REALLY DO SEEK & LOVE HIM FIRST, FOREMOST ETC.
But for a certain percentage of others . . . the DECEPTIVE, . . . . MARION JUNK has siphoned off heart-level love and worship of Jesus ONTO MARY. NO DOUBT. And, at some point, it becomes a kind of willful hiding in the Mary stuff and the fantasized Mary stuff to a wholesale minimizing and exclusion of JESUS from the bulk of that person's spiritual life. At some point, I think God will have no tolerance for such and will decree that the person has decided their destiny thereby.
That is an utterly awesomely frightful prospect.
IF my satire, humor, whatever jostles, jars, knocks some mental cobwebs loose enough for some folks to reconsider things more rationally, sanely--then--I'm humbled and PRAISE GOD. But I dare not sit silently by and do ought else but what I can toward such an even POSSIBILITY. Particularly on behalf of the thousands of lurkers.
A hanky folding contest?
You may be right.
Then again, some may be avoiding the thread to avoid bursting a bloodvessel over opposition comments.
Which, to me . . . is another sign of the overweening priority Mary has in their lives.
Yeah. There’s something about the “QUEEN OF HEAVEN” title that causes a chill in my bones and the hair to raise on my neck, so to speak.
Good points.
Your points and posts are excellent as usual. Thanks tons for commenting.
If the idol is made by it’s worshippers to
walk like an idol,
lay eggs like an idol,
fly like an idol,
waddle like an idol,
quack like an idol,
wear gold leaf like an idol,
generate bowing and scraping like an idol,
generate overconcuming attention, focus and thought life like an idol,
. . .
then, it must be a Petunia???
Please observe more carefully. You’re missing something vital.
Would you be so kind as to post black letters, they are a lot easier to read. Let your words be weighty not your font and color.
INDEED.
Thanks for the rich belly laugh, BTW.
I appreciate your request.
I’m sorry for the distraction, discomfort or whatever it is to you.
Perhaps you can highlight or whatever other manipulation will suit you.
It is a matter I’ve prayerfully pondered a great deal. It is not a matter I feel allowed to compromise on. Sorry.
I don’t know how to explain it further. There are aspects of it which . . . I feel constrained to abide by while saying nothing more about.
What you’re missing is that the pagans BELIEVED the works of their hands were their gods. Catholics BELIEVE that there is only one God, and that Second Person of that God, Jesus Christ, true God and true Man, has a physical body. Catholics do not believe their icons and statues are gods.
I do finally have that very good research material. And will get to posting it by and by. It has fallen lower on the priority list than one might wish.
Thanks for the reminder.
I suspect that most . . . maybe even 99.99999999% of RC folks would affirm your statement.
But mental surface assertions and rationalizations do NOT hide the attitude of the heart from God.
So, you make the hypothesis that the attitude of the heart is to WORSHIP these images as they were gods? How are you so sure? Isn’t that arrogance?
No they don't.
Amen! The elevation of Mary is just pure idolatry. They say it's not and try to wiggle and squirm, fitting this misguided doctrine into a pretended context; but at the end of the day it is nothing more than bowing down to something made of stone. And they know it. This "veneration" is nothing more that a fancy word for worship. They try to fit it in between respect and worship but it doesn't quite work. Yet they don't discourage people from venerating mold on a NJ tunnel.
btw-I found this a hoot...
I don't know if they're is an official Catholic teaching on what he is refering to, so as long as it doesn't conflict with anything the Church teaches, he can interpret it that way.
The guy’s writing was just terrible. I hoped to find some scripture and all I learned was a lot about the writer and why the writings criticizing him exist.
Well, I would say the same for the Westminster Confession. :O)
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