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Scriptural View of Mary
Catholic Pages ^ | Dr. Scott Hahn

Posted on 10/08/2007 6:08:42 AM PDT by NYer

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To: Pyro7480

I have the impression that Mary would fiercely censure many RC’s for their actions, attitudes, behaviors etc. toward her vs toward her Son . . .


221 posted on 10/09/2007 10:27:18 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Alamo-Girl
And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God." -- Revelation 22:8-9

That is fascinating Scripture, A-G! Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Even the angels abide by the Scriptures.

"Worship God."

222 posted on 10/09/2007 10:35:20 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

Priceless.

Thx


223 posted on 10/09/2007 10:35:29 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Religion Moderator

Aye Aye.

You are welcome to pull that post.


224 posted on 10/09/2007 10:39:18 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Athena1
Christ was conceived without sin. It was HE that was the 'Immaculate Conception'. No sin was transfered to Christ, as original sin is passed on by way of the mans seed. With Mary, being a virgin, and Christ being conceived of a virgin, He was born without sin.

Amen!

225 posted on 10/09/2007 10:57:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: stfassisi; DallasMike; Quix; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; irishtenor; ...
The closer one is to Christ, the source of all Grace

How can you say Christ is the source of all grace when you yourself posted the following thread on FR which states that Mary is the "dispenser of all graces?"

Christ is the source of grace, but Mary allocates that grace? What does God do in all this?

Padre Pio and the Mother Co-redemptrix
(CATHOLIC CAUCUS)

...we should be eternally grateful to "our dear Coredemptrix" and to our "Mediatrix and Dispensatrix of all graces."

Don't you see anything wrong with this?

226 posted on 10/09/2007 11:08:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy

That kind of candy will rot a lot more than teeth.


227 posted on 10/09/2007 11:27:57 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg

I wondered what Dr. E was talking about. What a hoot!


228 posted on 10/10/2007 4:53:15 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Quix; All

1 John 5

7For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.

8And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.

9If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater, for this is the witness of God which He hath testified of His Son.

10He that believeth in the Son of God hath the witness in himself; he that believeth not God hath made Him a liar, because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son.

11And this is the record: that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son.

12He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son hath not life.

13These things I have written unto you that believe in the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe in the name of the Son of God.


229 posted on 10/10/2007 4:56:04 AM PDT by Joya
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To: Quix; All

1 John 5:21

Little children, keep yourselves from idols.

Amen.


230 posted on 10/10/2007 4:59:45 AM PDT by Joya
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; Pyro7480; Quix; Iscool; wmfights; Alex Murphy; DungeonMaster

231 posted on 10/10/2007 5:07:03 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: stfassisi; suzyjaruki
“When, however, they are confuted from the Scriptures, they turn round and accuse these same Scriptures, as if they were not correct, nor of authority, and [assert] that they are ambiguous, and that the truth cannot be extracted from them by those who are ignorant of TRADITION...

Does that refrain sould familiar??? That could be said of the Catholic magisterium throughout history and today. And Irenaeus was talking about the heretics in his day.

It comes to this, therefore, that these men do now consent neither to Scripture or tradition” (Against Heresies 3,2:1).

By "tradition" Irenaeus meant the customs and practices that had come from the Apostles not the customs and practices that future religionists in the church would dredge up out of their imagination and from the religions of the ancient mysteries.

Didn't Irenaeus say that in matters of importance the church should defer to the "writings of the Apostles"? How are you doing with that Tradition of deferring to the scriptures in matters of importance??? Here it is from your post; read it carefully:

“Suppose there arise a dispute relative to some important question among us, should we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse, and learn from them what is certain and clear in regard to the present question? For how should it be if the apostles themselves had not left us writings? Would it not be necessary, to follow the course of the TRADITION which they handed down to those to whom they did commit the Churches?” (Against Heresies 3,4:1).

Irenaeus says that that "course of Tradition" that was handed down to the churches was to "defer to the writings of the Apostles" which had been handed down to the Churches as well.

Your magisterium not only can't interpret the scriptures properly, but they also need help understanding the patriarchs and tradition. Glad I could be of assistance.

232 posted on 10/10/2007 5:20:52 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Quix; pyro
And look at that picture of what apparently supposed to be Mary...And what appears to be a 12 year old Midget on her lap...Guess that is Jesus???

Jesus is always portrayed as a baby and Diana Mary is always magnified...

233 posted on 10/10/2007 5:42:40 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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To: Pyro7480

What’s up with the Crescent moon??? That’s the symbol of Izlam and some witchcraft and new age religions, isn’t it???

Is that the head of a skeleton between the two long robed men, and the head of a serpent at the bottom center???


234 posted on 10/10/2007 5:50:56 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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To: HarleyD

There’s another picture of (a black) Jesus...Looks like he’s an early teen but disproportionately small...No accident, I’m sure...


235 posted on 10/10/2007 5:55:26 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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To: Iscool
What’s up with the Crescent moon??? That’s the symbol of Izlam and some witchcraft and new age religions, isn’t it???

Have you not read Revelation Chapter 12? She's standing ON TOP of the moon, just as a knight might stand on top of a battlement triumphantly after the castle is conqeured.

236 posted on 10/10/2007 7:09:30 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480
Do you have any idea where all this Mary stuff came from?

Mary is a devoted mother in Scripture. She fulfilled the task she was given. However, Scripture never indicates any special status for her nor does it indicate she had any special powers like the Apostles.

She did not write any of the books of the NT, nor is she mentioned as an evangelist. Your belief in the assumption is never mentioned in Scripture and if it occurred it must have happened before John died. John was the last Apostle to die and Jesus had given him the rsponsibility to look after her. I'm sure he would have written about it.

237 posted on 10/10/2007 7:40:14 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Athena1
Christ was conceived without sin.

So was His mother.

238 posted on 10/10/2007 7:46:24 AM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: wmfights
if it occurred it must have happened before John died

Didn't it happen around 1950?

239 posted on 10/10/2007 8:26:21 AM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: Pyro7480
Have you not read Revelation Chapter 12? She's standing ON TOP of the moon, just as a knight might stand on top of a battlement triumphantly after the castle is conqeured.

That's all you got??? Your fourth person of the Trinity is depicted standing on a crescent moon and all you have is some scripture that doesn't at all apply to her???

240 posted on 10/10/2007 8:56:23 AM PDT by Iscool (REMEMBER all mushrooms are edible, some of them only once!)
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