Posted on 09/06/2007 3:27:02 PM PDT by annalex
Paul is saying that God is the pillar and foundation of truth.
'Catholic', in this sense, does not mean 'Roman Catholic'.
In your opinion. If you have proof, by all means post it. People say that all the time and Catholics post the history and then they say the history is wrong relying soley on their own bias and opinion. If you know something we Catholics have missed then tell us, show us.
This is your own interpretation of Scripture. You take a verse from a Holy book whose every word was discerned BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH to be the inspired Word of God to deny Catholic theology, that’s funny.
I asked for historical proof.
Absolutely, and so did those diciples who walked away in disgust at such a hard saying and Christ let them go and he didn’t explain it away to the Apostles.
Obviously, you never knew your Catholic faith or you would know the answer to that question yourself and you would know that your fishing expedition is facetious.
If you have told anyone that were saved or not saved by the Eucharist then you have been guilty of prevarication.
That last sentence sounds like I intended to impute motive to you and I should have said:
If you have told anyone that were saved or not saved by the Eucharist then you have been guilty of prevarication or ignorance.
Yep. Life doesn’t end with death.
I asked you if you took the passages I quoted literally. You applied in the affirmative. Would you like to retract?
Sure: Jesus said what He meant and meant what He said. You are getting there. Follow John 1:42 for the way.
I think some protestants don't know the meaning of "distinguo", so when we say I know something, they triumphantly say, "You don't know everything!" as though they had refuted something we said. And we're left going, "But, but, but ...."
priests
Paul writes about presbyters. There are your priests.
rituals save baptism and communion
James writes about the elders of the church anointing the sick. There are your priests again AND there is a ritual other than Baptism and Eucharist.
Mary worship
The Modern Church does not worship Mary, so no difference there.
Indulgences
I may concede partially. The principle dates back to the keys and to Jesus’s gift of the Spirit to the Apostles on Easter. But the earliest cursory searching reveals to me is in the 200’s. (Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church - NOT a Catholic book.)
say five hail marys and you’re forgiven til next time,
does not describe any practice of the Catholic Church ever. It does describe what people who don’t know what we do and don’t care to find out THINK that we do. So there’s no difference there either.
I don’t think you met the challenge “to show ... how the early church was historically and liturgically different than it is today.” What you HAVE managed to do is to repeat a lot of misinformation. It is easier to put down what you think we do and think and are than what we in fact do and think and are. But while you may derive some kind of pleasure or satisfaction from doing so, I’m not sure what good it does.
Thank you for the generous response. It wasn’t so much the actual issue (women’s ordination, and new teaching on homosexual monkey-bidnis) as the general contempt for the grave duty of the apostolic call. If it really is God’s will we’re supposedly in business about, then I can see no justification for the behavior of TEC before we even get to the controversial issues.<p.And how one would dare to be a clergydude and not be seriously TRYING to do God’s will ... Just blows what’s left of my poor mind.
You know that the Catholic Church comprises more than the Roman Catholic Church, right? The Maronites come to mind as an example: Catholic, in Communion with the Pope, not Roman Catholic.
But I take you to mean that Catholic does not mean those Churches in communion with the See of Rome, correct?
I used to think that. Then I came to think that I just thought that because I didn't want the other to be true.
Make that
John 4:1-42 (New International Version)
The Woman at the Well
Regards,
Actually no, I don’t want to retract. Yes, I know what you are trying to get to but it doesn’t wash. IF you really were a Catholic, then you know the answer, you may not like the answer but it doesn’t change.
I would engage you in apologetics if the theology behind this passage had not been posted numerous time and if I thought that you had never seen it but I know you have.
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