Posted on 08/17/2007 11:11:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Yet, I do not respect the religion for the following reasons:
-It installs one man on earth as above all other men. I do not find that in “my” Bible.
-It handles its masses in Latin - knowing that the people do not understand.
-It creates saints that the members pray to. I only pray to God.
-It creates Mary as a sacred being worthy of being prayed to. I find nothing in my Bible that tells us to pray to saints or Mary.
-It appears immersed in a love of wealth, pageantry, with the power in the hands of exalted men ruling over the lives of the ordinary. This emphasis on opulence and wealth is foreign to me when trying to follow Jesus. I did not see Jesus involved in any obsession of wealth.
I do not deny that there are some wonderful people in the history and members. And there are many decisions and statements that I respect. Overall, I feel the people are praying to idols, praying to men as “saints” and seeking forgiveness for their sins from men - not God.
So many things that I cannot overlook as I do not find a basis for the practices in the Bible.
AMEN BROTHER!!!
Why not? You asked some very interesting questions, to which I graciously provided answers. The answers may or may not be to your liking (I cannot know, as I cannot read your mind), but the answers are nevertheless true. Questions posed on a public discussion forum will invariably provoke discussion.
secret documents
are not sold for six bucks on Amazon dot com, nor are they given away for FREE on the internet.
Wha..? Aw heck, are you telling me that I'm out six bucks?
Yep ... The really sad part is those six dollar New American Bibles are printed on really crummy paper. I've got one from the '80s (back then, it was more like two bucks) and the paper is about the same colour as a paper grocery bag. Pathetic. I've another, from the '70s, that was printed on acid free paper ... well worn, but the paper isn't decomposing.
Jesus made wine. St. Paul advises that a little wine is good for the stomach. No reference is made to grape juice. This is a non-biblical phobia with its roots in made up Scripture interpretation by laymen. This error was specificly condemned by St. Peter IN Scripture.
The assumption that every mention of wine in Scripture refers to fermented grape juice is the error. sinatorhellary’s post states this very well.
This belief has no roots in Scripture or history.
BOGUS, just like the whole Sola Scriptura nonsense.
Are you denying that the word “wine” is used for all 3 types of grape juice that was mentioned in post 159? If you are going to blast someone else’s position, then please offer up something more than just blindly dismissing it.
Catholic as in universal, as in the body of believers in Christ, yes.
What do you think 'new wine' is?
Received? Received from whom?
From those taught and trained in the Gospels of Our Lord. Which, of course the CoC prides itself in not having. That is why the baptism was not in the name of the Trinity. It is ludicrous to presume that every Tom Dick and alcoholic Harry can teach the Gospel of Christ in an accurate manner.
Further, that is why you do not believe that the Holy Spirit is transferred by men of God. That’s because you don’t have any. You have theological children playing at being adults. Who do you think is authorized to teach? Your untrained children?
The Church is the Bride of Christ. The Pope is the head on Earth. The Steward. The one who holds the keys until the Master returns.
Stop playing at theology and come back to God.
On thin theological ice, are we?
The Roman Catholic Church is not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. It is one of them.
Do I detect some theological panic?
Then you may be looking with scales over your eyes.
As I have (and those theologically greater than I) have indicated, you have a children’s theology and a hayseed’s doctrine.
The Campbells and Stone were on a power trip; no different from the televangelists today. The folks in Abilene may not live in opulence, but they’re damn sure trying.
The Campbells and Stone, along with Rigdon, wrote your theology.
Don’t you really want to know the reasons behind the oddity of some of your beliefs?
The Church universal is spiritual (”My kingdom is not of this world”). Earthly institutions are NOT the Church.
Try the Bible. John 20:21-23. Matt 18:18. And a handful of others.
Are you people not bible based? What say you to this?
Boy, you really don’t get out much.
If you would, check out the legacy of Martin Luther and the hatchet job he did. And you yokels just fell in with it. You really don’t know your history, do you?
Aww, they’re so cute.
Jesus had wine at the Last Supper.
The wedding at Cana had Jesus creating the very best of wine.
See you CoC down at the liquor store pretending that you’re somebody else.
That’s why we say that the one institution that Jesus set up is.
Splitters and quitters don’t get to make the rules.
You folks are the fourth or fifth generation.
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