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Church of Christ guided by New Testament [Campbellite beliefs discussed in Q&A]
NewsOK ^ | August 11, 2007

Posted on 08/17/2007 11:11:00 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: ArrogantBustard
No need in me discussing with you and the others the Catholic religion because I am not familiar with your secret documents, your creeds, your elaborate historical “proofs”?

Yet, I do not respect the religion for the following reasons:

-It installs one man on earth as above all other men. I do not find that in “my” Bible.

-It handles its masses in Latin - knowing that the people do not understand.

-It creates saints that the members pray to. I only pray to God.

-It creates Mary as a sacred being worthy of being prayed to. I find nothing in my Bible that tells us to pray to saints or Mary.

-It appears immersed in a love of wealth, pageantry, with the power in the hands of exalted men ruling over the lives of the ordinary. This emphasis on opulence and wealth is foreign to me when trying to follow Jesus. I did not see Jesus involved in any obsession of wealth.

I do not deny that there are some wonderful people in the history and members. And there are many decisions and statements that I respect. Overall, I feel the people are praying to idols, praying to men as “saints” and seeking forgiveness for their sins from men - not God.

So many things that I cannot overlook as I do not find a basis for the practices in the Bible.

161 posted on 08/20/2007 11:33:55 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ

AMEN BROTHER!!!


162 posted on 08/20/2007 11:36:22 AM PDT by pjr12345
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To: ClancyJ
No need in me discussing with you

Why not? You asked some very interesting questions, to which I graciously provided answers. The answers may or may not be to your liking (I cannot know, as I cannot read your mind), but the answers are nevertheless true. Questions posed on a public discussion forum will invariably provoke discussion.

secret documents

are not sold for six bucks on Amazon dot com, nor are they given away for FREE on the internet.

163 posted on 08/20/2007 11:46:32 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
...are not sold for six bucks on Amazon dot com, nor are they given away for FREE on the internet.

Wha..? Aw heck, are you telling me that I'm out six bucks?

164 posted on 08/20/2007 12:07:27 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: Alex Murphy
are you telling me that I'm out six bucks?

Yep ... The really sad part is those six dollar New American Bibles are printed on really crummy paper. I've got one from the '80s (back then, it was more like two bucks) and the paper is about the same colour as a paper grocery bag. Pathetic. I've another, from the '70s, that was printed on acid free paper ... well worn, but the paper isn't decomposing.

165 posted on 08/20/2007 12:20:28 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: sinatorhellary

Jesus made wine. St. Paul advises that a little wine is good for the stomach. No reference is made to grape juice. This is a non-biblical phobia with its roots in made up Scripture interpretation by laymen. This error was specificly condemned by St. Peter IN Scripture.


166 posted on 08/20/2007 12:57:24 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

The assumption that every mention of wine in Scripture refers to fermented grape juice is the error. sinatorhellary’s post states this very well.


167 posted on 08/20/2007 1:07:31 PM PDT by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122

This belief has no roots in Scripture or history.

BOGUS, just like the whole Sola Scriptura nonsense.


168 posted on 08/20/2007 1:25:17 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah (Catholic4Mitt)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Are you denying that the word “wine” is used for all 3 types of grape juice that was mentioned in post 159? If you are going to blast someone else’s position, then please offer up something more than just blindly dismissing it.


169 posted on 08/20/2007 1:32:03 PM PDT by jkl1122
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To: NYer
And, as Scripture has proven, that church is the Catholic Church. Thank you for the post!

Catholic as in universal, as in the body of believers in Christ, yes.

170 posted on 08/20/2007 1:43:55 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
No reference is made to grape juice.

What do you think 'new wine' is?

171 posted on 08/20/2007 1:47:46 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Bryan24

Received? Received from whom?

From those taught and trained in the Gospels of Our Lord. Which, of course the CoC prides itself in not having. That is why the baptism was not in the name of the Trinity. It is ludicrous to presume that every Tom Dick and alcoholic Harry can teach the Gospel of Christ in an accurate manner.

Further, that is why you do not believe that the Holy Spirit is transferred by men of God. That’s because you don’t have any. You have theological children playing at being adults. Who do you think is authorized to teach? Your untrained children?

The Church is the Bride of Christ. The Pope is the head on Earth. The Steward. The one who holds the keys until the Master returns.

Stop playing at theology and come back to God.


172 posted on 08/20/2007 5:02:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: pjr12345

On thin theological ice, are we?

The Roman Catholic Church is not the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ. It is one of them.

Do I detect some theological panic?


173 posted on 08/20/2007 5:04:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: ClancyJ

Then you may be looking with scales over your eyes.

As I have (and those theologically greater than I) have indicated, you have a children’s theology and a hayseed’s doctrine.

The Campbells and Stone were on a power trip; no different from the televangelists today. The folks in Abilene may not live in opulence, but they’re damn sure trying.


174 posted on 08/20/2007 5:09:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: ClancyJ

The Campbells and Stone, along with Rigdon, wrote your theology.

Don’t you really want to know the reasons behind the oddity of some of your beliefs?


175 posted on 08/20/2007 5:10:36 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr

The Church universal is spiritual (”My kingdom is not of this world”). Earthly institutions are NOT the Church.


176 posted on 08/20/2007 5:13:23 PM PDT by pjr12345
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To: ClancyJ

Try the Bible. John 20:21-23. Matt 18:18. And a handful of others.

Are you people not bible based? What say you to this?


177 posted on 08/20/2007 5:14:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: ClancyJ

Boy, you really don’t get out much.

If you would, check out the legacy of Martin Luther and the hatchet job he did. And you yokels just fell in with it. You really don’t know your history, do you?


178 posted on 08/20/2007 5:15:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Aww, they’re so cute.

Jesus had wine at the Last Supper.

The wedding at Cana had Jesus creating the very best of wine.

See you CoC down at the liquor store pretending that you’re somebody else.


179 posted on 08/20/2007 5:18:08 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: pjr12345

That’s why we say that the one institution that Jesus set up is.

Splitters and quitters don’t get to make the rules.

You folks are the fourth or fifth generation.


180 posted on 08/20/2007 5:20:04 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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