Posted on 08/07/2007 6:33:25 AM PDT by Mershon
That is great!
Maybe someday we will graduate from not that bad to pretty good, lol.
Oops, I see we have already moved up. Will wonders never cease, lol? ;-)
bumpus ad summum
thanks for the article. too bad the good pastor has such a negative view of the sspx. i can understand feelings of ambivalence but the reaction is very excessive. Does he speak the same way about the protestants he ecumenizes with?
It’s an interesting question. Normally, it’s a ‘vanity;’ on the other hand, this was published elsewhere, too.
I call it a toss.
It remains to be seen what SSPX members will do.
But since I haven’t seen any of them running to the 1962 Rite Mass offered in Milwaukee (regularly, since ~1986,) I suspect that they’re not too interested in unity.
The Church can open the door.
But the Church cannot drag people in...
Your reaction is the same as mine.
What’s Fr. Newman afraid of?
The definition of “published” has grown rather diffuse.
The late and great Michael Davies was a Looney Tunes fan, so that's something we have in common with him. ;-)
While Fr. Newman is wrong as to the acceptability of attendance at SSPX Masses, you also fail to note that contributions by actual Catholics are limited to defraying the actual costsof the Masses. Eastern Orthodox Masses are also valid despite the Eastern Orthodox being in schism from Rome.
Mershon: I wonder how a priest serves in SSPX without becoming an excommunicated SSPX adherent. When I confess my sins, I promise to avoid the near occasion of sin, how about you and the SSPXers? Without territorial faculties, do SSPX schismatic priests enjoy an ordinary right to hear confessions? When the schismatics and their excommunicated ringleaders in ecclesiastical crime reject papal authority as they have, how do they obtain territorial faculties? Just asking!
BTW, were you fired by the Wanderer for all those (so far) inaccurate presumptions that B-XVI would be restoring the SSPX excommunicated schismatics any day now endlessly repeated in your writings over a period of a couple of years???? If even the Remnant some day bids you farewell, will you then turn to the SSPX agitprop organ The Angelus????
On behalf of the grammar police, that is "conniption" and not kinniption." You are a somewhat professional writer and spell-check should be your friend.
Additionally, the opponents of SSPX here are those who obey papal authority (as in Ecclesia Dei of JP II). The SSPX love slaves are the ones who yearn for such insolent antiCatholic trash as Fellay, Williamson and especially de Mallerais and have no problem with gross insolence, insubordination and grand theft ecclesiastical as are the hallmarks of the taste-offended schismatic excommunicati.
Finally, if you reference me, have the guts to ping me and not to hide behind the barn scribbling anti-Catholic graffiti. Such pinging is common courtesy. AND Tax-chick's newborns have more of a grasp of Catholicism than you do.
The babies are quite holy, of course, but as soon as they develop some cognition they get weird. Tom used to run into the kitchen and beat his head on the linoleum every time we made the Sign of the Cross, and Bill would put rosaries down the ventilation registers.
Whether or not everyone in the SSPX is in schism, their mean-spirited criticisms of the Pope and their rejection of his authority, in certain areas, are problematic, as is their rejection of the Second Vatican Council. Catholics who go to SSPX Masses risk being led into error by a group that is NOT in communion with the Church.
Moreover, now that the motu proprio has been issued, there is NO excuse for any Catholic to go SSPX chapels. I frankly don’t care if the SSPX ever reconciles with the Church but it would clearly be in their best interests to do so since the motu proprio will reduce their membership as people leave their chapels and return to the Church. Within a generation, the SSPX will be completely irrelevant.
The Latin Mass will not appease them, many of them think they are special and have special knowledge and intelligence that the average Catholic cannot fathom. They believe the pope issued the Motu Proprio just for them and they sneer in his face. They insist that he must jump through even more hoops to please them. They call him a Modernist who doesn't understand.
I for one am impatient with them and avoid them at every opportunity.
Not that the terms are mutually exclusive...
Well, just because the motu proprio has been issued, it does not mean that Latin Masses will necessarily reappear. If there is no TLM, there would be an excuse.
It will reappear since there are already people who are making arrangements for it. A few priests in the Diocese of Cleveland have said that they will celebrate the Mass. Also, my son attends the University of Notre Dame and he says that campus ministry has responded favorably to a request by students to have Tridentine Masses said on campus. Clearly, this excuse is not going to be around much longer and soon the SSPX will be nothing but an unhappy memory.
500 priests serving Catholic faithful won’t “go away” any time soon.
The theological formation of any Novus Ordo seminary, including the ones in Rome, pales in comparison to the semainary education and spiritual formation of the FSSP, the Institute of Christ the King, the Institute of Good Shepherd, and yes, the Society of St. Pius X.
Maybe those of you predicting the demise of the SSPX haven’t been following this close enough. The SSPX requested that the Pope free the Traditional Latin Mass for the entire Church. This was one of their requests—for the good of the entire Church.
The fact that some younger diocesan priests are going to be celebrating the Traditional Mass is a good thing. Who do you think is going to train them?
Angelus Press sold 1,100 of their 1962 missals last month alone. They had requests from 250 priests for their Latin Mass training DVD. They have been training priests in offering the TLM for months now—diocesan priests who come to them.
Nope. The SSPX “going away” is a pipe dream. Thankfully, Pope Benedict is intent in solving the canonical difficulties and then you guys can complain about them being in “full communion”.
While the motu proprio satisfies one of the demands of the SSPX, it certainly does not satisfy the rest of them. Their rejection of the Second Vatican Council and their rejection of papal authority in certain matters remain stumbling blocks to any reconciliation of that group with the Church.
As to your claim that priests will have to turn to the SSPX for training in how to say the Tridentine Mass, well, that remains to be seen. It is more likely that they will go to priest who belong to traditionalist orders that are in communion with the Church, such as the FSSP or the Institute of Christ the King.
Frankly, I can’t envision the return of such a self-righteous, self-important group like the SSPX to the Church. Their own pride would prevent it.
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