Posted on 08/03/2007 4:32:13 PM PDT by topcat54
That's an interesting verse. The damned will apparently be resurrected to face the GWT Judgment in their own bodies and then cast soul and body into hell.
In their own "flesh" bodies or spiritual bodies? That is the part I go back and forth on. I believe "all" are changed into a spiritual body but someone I very much admire because of his Biblical knowledge believes it is a flesh body.
One day, probably soon, we will know........Ping
This would cause chaos on a wide scale in many areas of human events.. By the way its no secret this is PLANNED.. and being planned.. Whats NOT usually talked about is the return of the so-called MUSLIM MESSIAH the Madi..
Worldly events are streaming toward some kind of chaos.. no doubt about that.. Something may happen soon too. To shine this on as superstition is silly.. Them muzzies are serious.. Muslims are in your face superstition.. That superstition can blow up in your FACE.. After all WE are only infidels..
Just a thought re-reading the bible might not be a bad idea..
Is this the Imam that is supposed to come out of a well? Can you tell us more about it?
Anti-Christ maybe?..
Considering the depths of the Muslim mind could result in Moonbattery..
Same idea, just that they receive their "dishonorable" bodies in which they experience eternal torment.
But you are admitting that Reveation is silent on this so-called rapture resurrction separate from the resurrection of chapter 20.
And there is no rapture resurrection separate from the final resurrection in 1 Cor 15. That is plain from the reading:
"23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power." (1 Cor. 15)
There are folks who wish to insert something like 1007 years between "those who are Christ's at His coming" and "then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father", but such an insertion of time is clearly unwarranted from the text and context. At the resurrection of the saint is th end, followed immediately by judgment and glorification/damnation.
There is only one future coming of Jesus Christ, that which the Church commonly calls the "second coming". All Christ's saints are resurrected at the same time at the second coming.
I do not find any reference to muslims or nuclear weapons in the Bible. Neither do I find any reference to the United States, England, modern Israel, Iraq, or Egypt, the former Soviet Union, the Common Market, Muammar al-Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein, and a whole host of other people and places that seem to occupy the speech of modern pop prophecy preachers.
They are mostly the invention of folks who do not know how to properly read, study, and interpret the Bible with any real authority.
It is almost "eerie"...their "good guys" are the Biblical "bad guys" and vice-versa.
Are you an authority?..
From Number of a man by Philip Mauro. He wrote this in 1909
(Bold emphasis mine)
And it should be noted in this connection that Zionism, while intensely national in character, does not propose to revive the ancient religion of the Jewish people. This is, to my mind, the strangest feature of Zionism. Every national revival among the Jews in their past history has been a religious revival. That there should ever be a national revival of Judaism which should be absolutely destitute of the religious element, and which should make absolutely no appeal to the religious feelings of the people, would be deemed an a priori impossibility. And yet it is necessary, in order for prophecy to be fulfilled, that a large number of Jews should return to, and should occupy, Palestine in a condition of religious apostasy. This event seems to be now close at hand; and, in spite of all opposition, hatred, spoliation, and persecution, the hated and despised Jews have possessed themselves of such financial resources, and of such commercial influence, in every part of the world, as to prepare all that is needed for the rapid fulfilment of the other steps of the prophetic programme. [282]
It a great book and can be read online. What Ifound fascinating is that this man seemed to be perplexed (remember, he wrote it in 1909), but saw no other way in order for prophecy to be fulfilled.
It isn't clearly stated because Jesus already said "no man knows the time and the hour --- only His Heavenly Father". So how would John know.
However he did know that those who died as martyrs during the Tribulation would be resurrected after it was all over but before the 1000 years begins.
And there is no rapture resurrection separate from the final resurrection in 1 Cor 15. That is plain from the reading:
As long as you fit Thessalonians in there as well, right???
"23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power." (1 Cor. 15)
There are folks who wish to insert something like 1007 years between "those who are Christ's at His coming" and "then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father"
The 1000 years comes after he delivers the kingdom. It won't take Him 1000 years to put down the rebellion and make the delivery.
At the resurrection of the saint is th end, followed immediately by judgment and glorification/damnation.
You forgot the 1000 years --- it's clearly stated 6 different times so it can't be ignored.
There is only one future coming of Jesus Christ, that which the Church commonly calls the "second coming". All Christ's saints are resurrected at the same time at the second coming.
Remember these words above: "But each one in his own order" ---- therefore not all at exactly the same time, but in their own order between His coming and the start of the millenium.
Thank you Invoman, I'll spend some time with it.
It really isn't so eerie when we know who their god is.
Over the past week or so I've been delving into Joel.
I find these verses in Joel to be interesting:
Joel 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them. 4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run. 5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.
This particular passage (called the day of the Lord)? It sounds a lot like a "description" of weapons that the prophet Joel didn't quite understand, yet he described them with words such as "as" and "like". I'm not sure if this is helpful for the previous discussion or not helpful.
Christ tells us in Matthew 24 and 25 to watch. And I do.
Maranatha, Jesus!
That survey shows how it all ends is on the minds of many freepers even those not "into" God.. Major changes seem to be on the way.. many "sense it".. I think.. My spirit is electric with the sensation..
Maranatha, Jesus!
Hopefully, the more we read on it the more understanding it will bring. Thank you for that passage.
I came across another one and wanted to relay it to the three of you:
Isaiah 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to My holy mountain Jerusalem, "saith the Lord, "as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
A side note in my Bible says: "Swift beasts is Heb. kirkdroth, from kdrar to move in a circle; hence may mean (like English car)any vehicle on wheels. It is never used of animals."
It is interesting that these verses we have discussed all have to do with the end of days.
Horses ---- horses ---- and more horses on their way to Jerusalem.
So now we have Joel, and Isaiah, along with John and Zechariah telling us that there will be a lot of horses around Jerusalem in the end of days.
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