Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Thank you.
It helps me to catch up after I've been busy with work for a day or two.
Likewise, GOD created Satan and placed him in the position to do evil. GOD knew.
You don't have to take Alamo-Girl's word for it. Einstein said it. Parallel lines will eventually intersect because the universe is curved.
From a first-up on google...
Parallel lines also behave differently on a plane and on a sphere. Two lines moving in the same direction on a plane will never meet at a finite set of coordinates. However, suppose that two people start at the Equator and head north. They are traveling in the same direction, but since they are on a sphere, they do meet! First they meet at the North Pole, and if they keep going long enough, they will meet at the South Pole as well...The behavior of parallel lines led to one of the most important developments in mathematics, the introduction of non-Euclidean geometry. In Euclidean geometry, a plane is like a tabletop or piece of paper, a flat object that extends forever in all directions. Using the axioms of Euclid, useful theorems can be proved like "the sum of angles in a triangle is equal to 180 degrees". However, this is only true on a plane. If you draw a triangle on a sphere (like a globe), you can measure the angles and show that they always sum to more than 180 degrees!
What an interesting read today! Thank you for the ping.
How do people console themselves at the loss of a loved one if it isn't by being assured, "This, too, one way or another, is God's will."
For the non-believer, the idea of "God's will" is either foolishness or frightening. But for the believer, "God's will" is the only comfort in terrible times.
Romans 8:28 is either true or false.
Interestingly, the geographic pole is also used to explain that there is no time before the beginning of time - which is to say, there is nothing "south" of the South Pole.
What the North Pole will be for us Christians in a metaphor - i.e. the new heaven and earth in Revelation - is an open question. It could be like the geographic model you use here, time without end (expanding or not expanding) - or it could be something we cannot even imagine. We'll see.
His Name is I AM.
To God be the glory!
With that logic you're becoming a Protestant, for how can some aging codger in Rome presume to speak for God 2,000 years after Christ told us to look to the words of God for the answers?
Calvin, unlike the bishop of Rome, based every word he wrote on Scripture. Whatever doctrines he articulated were doctrines he found in the Bible.
And I am free to disagree with any word Calvin wrote if I don't believe it was based on Scripture, because Calvin was just a man and our God-given conscience, renewed by the Holy Spirit, is ultimately what we are to follow.
It just so happens I haven't found any place where Calvin was wrong.
Maybe they should print a Bible with BLUE print for those verses that apply only to the Apostles and their successors and leave the rest in black.
I suppose it all reverts back to the Church. How convenient! :) Artificially make the Bible impossible to understand by anyone, and that solidifies the power of those who claim it.
Only problem is the Church militant is not found in one physical institution.
ICor.12:13 For by one Spirit we were baptized into one body-whether Jews or Greeks, whether saves or free-and have all been made to drink into one Spirit. For in fact the body is not one member but many.
Luke 17:21...For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.
And a gold star to you FK for your insight. Over the past week I have been reading some of the Papal edicts. Here are the tricks.
A Pope is only considered infallible when he speaks to the "whole church" whatever that means. Therefore they are careful to leave some addressees out when they do proclaim something.
The RC church wrote, invented, caused to come into being, whatever, the bible, so they are the only ones "qualified" to interpret it.
When the Pope contradicts the bible, it used to be that the bible took precedence but now the tradition has become the other way around. The Pope is authority over the written word of God.
As Dr. Eckleburg has shown in other posts, the priest offering up the mass becomes another Jesus, so in effect Jesus "sacrifices Himself" over and over.
The Pope is Christ's head here on earth, and the members of the Catholic Church are the body. So they say in effect "Here is Christ, under this roof, in this building or temple."
The Popes frequently contradict the bible and Paul's writings, so they give little weight to the written word.
Mary is the firstborn of all creatures, or so proclaimed one of the Popes. She is hypostaticly united to the HS and He does nothing except through her. As a result, Mary is our Advocate, our comforter.
Not only are you all speaking a different language around here, but the religions are as different as apples and oranges, making an intelligent debate impossible. You'd have more luck with the Mormons
My pinging is hap hazard too, sorry if I left anyone out
What an excellent observation. Very true. Precision has never been a big trait of the RCC.
Why would time be relevant?
If time were an issue, wouldn't most of your "church fathers" be suspect. They didn't walk the earth with JESUS.
Personally, I'm thinking more and more that the entire Bible is really written only for God's children. Reprobates might read it, but they will never understand it. In fact, they will despise it.
Those who read the Bible by the light of the Holy Spirit do so because it is God's will that they understand how and why God has loved them from before the foundation of the world.
And there is one chapter which clarifies the fact that while God's words are spoken about many different kinds of men, they are actually addressed to His children.
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them... Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." -- John 17:9-10;20-23"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
Matthew 7:6.
Amen, Athena! What a wonderful example of a “contrite heart.”
That is the very function of the Holy Spirit -- to lead us to righteousness and the knowledge of the truth found in Scripture. And this the Holy Spirit does in our lives daily.
I don’t believe “some aging codger in Rome can speak for God “
I also find it revealing that most of the activist atheists [and there are many] - ignore all the other beliefs and concentrate their attacks on Christians – and more specifically, Christians who believe the Scriptures are inerrant.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. - Ephesians 6:10-13
Of a truth, I believe this is the Holy Spirit’s leading for our age (emphasis mine:)
And I John saw these things, and heard [them]. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. – Revelation 22:7-11
No? Why don't we ALL read Hebrews 10 together and see if the writer talks about "a sacrifice performed by Christ himself?"
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." -- Hebrews 10:6-14"In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
I realize these might be uncomfrotable verses for those who insist on sacrificing Christ again and again, in direct opposition to Hebrews 10.
But discomfort very often prompts us to rethink our errors and look more closely for the truth.
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