Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
I just asked jo kus if the Holy Spirit renews some men's minds more than other men's minds.
It may be like general grace and saving grace.
General grace is given to all, the air you breath, the water you drink, normal living. God has granted this to all.
Saving grace, the love that God gives to his own, is an added grace that only his children receive.
(pssst, maybe some men NEED more renewal than others :>)
Oh. Muddle.
I'm not up on categories of grace honestly. But I would think that conscience and compassion are beyond our physical needs and much closer to sharing in, in communion with, the divine.
I think I agree. My mind is kind of muddled right now :>)
I think we set the muddle record tonight.
But I *think* I understood the conversation.
;)
:>)
Nice talk, thanks.
God is not an alligator, sacraments didn’t see an alligator, either?
Knowing what he would do is not important, HD. The important thing for God was that man has free will, that we are not His robots, but His children.
Close. Well, not that close.
Roughly: “God is not bound by the sacraments, but we are.”
Nothing about alligators, huh?
I like alligators!
Fried, smoked, grilled, yum.
It’s the hindu in you.
They eat GATOR? Well, bless their little pea pickin’ hearts :>)
Likewise, x.
None of what you said changes the fact that your destiny is to die. It is given unto man once to die and after this the judgment.
Our sin (death) is our predicament by choice.
Within that destiny you find daily opportunity to exercise your free will.
Which affects our destiny. :)
"I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life." [Isa 38:5]
It is the same with the saved or the lost.
Indeed. "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
It's what we choose that leads us to God or to hell.
It's what we choose that determines if we've been chosen for heaven or hell.
Know a family in Ohio that raised Charolais cattle. Every now and then, one gets selected to remain a bull. He gets the pasture, the cows, and a long life. The others are rubber-band steers who get the grass, the butcher, and the grinder.
What's he see in the ones that get to be bulls?
Please no sex jokes in the religion forum..
:)
No joke....he WAS a lucky bull. :>)
Kosta: God intercedes within time
Dr. E: Thanks. I'll take that as a "yes" to my question since as you've just stated that God not only works outside of time, but inside time, too
God intercedes in time but He is (exists) outside of time.
Kosta: ...but He is unaffected by it. He cannot be defined in terms of time or space.
Dr. E: I agree generally, but we can and do say "God is limitless" which does have a "sense" of space within the concept
Limits are His creation. I do not agree that He can be "defined" in terms of His creation. Only by denial of His creation, unlimited, uncircumscribed, etc.
They don't give a "sense" of space and limits. Space is meaningless in terms of God.
Alamo-Girl's original statement which you challenged was "There was a beginning of time and a beginning of space."
Alamo-Girl's statement to which I reacted was that eternity is defined in terms of space and time. Knowing that God is eternity, this is a contradiction. God, who is Eternity, cannot be described in terms of space and time.
Eternity cannot have a beginning. Also, creation of space and time is not mutually exclusive of God. He pre-existed time, space and the beginning of both. Neither can eternity be defined in terms of beginning, space or time. The Creation is finite, bound by space and time.
I didn't get the same thing form A-G's post as you did. The fault could be mine, but it could be hers too.
And as you've agreed, God, the Holy Spirit, works in time. Is that progress, or what?
God's direct intercession in time is manifested by His Incarnation. In the OT God intercedes through angels who, by definition, are also limited (circumscribed) creatures. But God, in His essence, is always outside of time and not limited by space.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
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