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Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)
Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins

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To: kosta50

Oooooooh!!!

Do I hear a balloon deflating?


801 posted on 07/25/2007 12:31:11 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: kosta50; Iscool; adiaireton8; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; fr maximilian mary
Again, it is not a matter of whether a person believes he is led by the Holy Spirit, but whether he is actually, truly, being led by the Holy Spirit.

I do not value even my own sensory perceptions and reasoning - much less "feelings" - above the revelations of God the Father in (1) Jesus Christ His only begotten Son, (2) the indwelling Holy Spirit, (3) Scriptures and (4) Creation, both spiritual and physical.

So I'll be trusting Him no matter what you say.

Truly, I cannot possibly provide proof of Christ to anyone who does not already have the "ears to hear." And if they have the "ears to hear" they will hear Him no matter who is doing the speaking or in what venue.

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: - John 10:26-27

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. - John 8:43

Please note that the ones Jesus was addressing were physically hearing Him, but they were not spiritually hearing Him.

And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. - John 6:65

So it is quite fine by me for you or anyone to ignore or be offended by my testimony about Christ much less myself.

But if Christ tells you that I am one of His, listen to Him and welcome me as your sister in Him.

If you hear Christ then follow Him.

802 posted on 07/25/2007 12:37:12 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: MarkBsnr
My apology. Post 802 was in reply to your post as well. Please consider yourself pinged.
803 posted on 07/25/2007 12:40:55 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: adiaireton8; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; blue-duncan; betty boop
which persons/denominations all Christians should be agreeing with...

I am not a hyper-denominationalist, nor the follower of any man except Christ.

Any believer throughout all time is part of His Church. The unseen things of this world are those that are eternal.

2 Co 4:12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. 13 It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, 14 because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence. 15 All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God. 16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day. 17 For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all. 18 So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

The "US" in the passage is the body of believers at Corinth. Yet, this is a message Paul would speak to any Christian.

The old timers would shout, "Glory! Glory!" I believe they knew, and with "joy unspeakable and full of GLORY" they would fix their eyes on Jesus, the Author and finisher of their faith.

Away. Away with the works of man. Away with the pettiness and the strife. Away with the divisions and the insipient special pleadings for one's own little group.

We are Christians and our calling is heavenward. So let us "press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus."

This is the true ecumenism. This is the family of God, the body of Christ in which 26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Alamo-Girl calls you "Dear Adiaireton8." Let me call you brother or sister and exhort you to the true ecumenism of God.

Col 3:Colossians 3:8-11 8 But now you must rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. 9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices 10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator. 11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.

804 posted on 07/25/2007 12:41:36 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: OLD REGGIE

ping to #804


805 posted on 07/25/2007 12:48:13 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Iscool; adiaireton8; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; fr maximilian mary

You seem to continue to mix Jesus and the Spirit, but be it as it may you have not answered if you’d believe me if I tell you that the Spirit tells me that Protestants & al. are being misled by the devil...do you?


806 posted on 07/25/2007 12:48:36 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: xzins
Oh what a beautiful sermon-post! Thank you so very much, dear brother in Christ!

Praise God!!!

807 posted on 07/25/2007 12:50:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: kosta50; xzins; k2fourever; kawaii
Acts 13:1-3 tells us that +Paul was ordained like all others after Christ left, by laying of the hands.

PS credit for this should go to k2fourever, who's having problems posting.

Not so.

Acts 9:
[17] So Anani'as departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came, has sent me that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

Please read Acts 13 again. This was not an Ordination much less, an Ordination by Apostles.

808 posted on 07/25/2007 12:57:02 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: Alamo-Girl

Glory to God and to the Comforter!


809 posted on 07/25/2007 12:57:41 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: kosta50; Iscool; adiaireton8; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; fr maximilian mary
You seem to continue to mix Jesus and the Spirit

What is this? Have you not heard that our God is One God in Three Persons, i.e. the Triune God? That Jesus is the brightness of the Father's glory, the express image of His Person, the living Word of God? That the indwelling Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of God (emphasis mine)?

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

In reference to your question:

you have not answered if you’d believe me if I tell you that the Spirit tells me that Protestants & al. are being misled by the devil...do you?

The indwelling Spirit does not confirm your above statement as His own, so no, I do not accept it.

810 posted on 07/25/2007 12:58:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
Amen!
811 posted on 07/25/2007 1:00:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: xzins
nor the follower of any man except Christ.

Then you are not in conformity with Hebrews 13:17 -- "Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they keep watch over your souls, as those who will give an account."

Away with the divisions

I agree. Away with the Protests and the Schisms. Let those who have been doing so all return to the one fold from which they all came: the one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church that Christ founded.

This is the true ecumenism.

Kumbaya ecumenicism is the mereological equivalent of calling good 'evil'.

"Hence they err in a matter of divine truth, who imagine the Church to be invisible, intangible, a something merely "pneumatological," as they say, by which many Christian communities, though they differ from each other in their profession of faith, are united by a bond that eludes the sense." (Mystici Corporis Christi, 15)

-A8

812 posted on 07/25/2007 1:01:55 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: OLD REGGIE
It always amazes me when folks try to claim Matthias was chosen by God through Peter, et al ... 'God, Who knows the hearts of all men, chose one of these two we present to you.' God had already selected a man, Saul, whom He would convert/call in the not so far future, but he wasn't on the 'list' of the two Peter, et al wanted God to select for them by casting lots! And we know Peter&co. were so clear on things, that's why there was a 'first' church council at Jerusalem to stop the Judaizing, but it didn't stop James from continuing to try and make Christianity a 'reform' sect of Judaism. Yeah, gotta hand it to the Peter Company, tell God to choose one of the two they put up and ignore the 'heart of all men' in their perfunctory dismissal of all but two that they chose.
813 posted on 07/25/2007 1:18:42 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
It always amazes me when folks try to claim Matthias was chosen by God through Peter, et al ... 'God, Who knows the hearts of all men, chose one of these two we present to you.' God had already selected a man, Saul, whom He would convert/call in the not so far future, but he wasn't on the 'list' of the two Peter, et al wanted God to select for them by casting lots! And we know Peter&co. were so clear on things, that's why there was a 'first' church council at Jerusalem to stop the Judaizing, but it didn't stop James from continuing to try and make Christianity a 'reform' sect of Judaism. Yeah, gotta hand it to the Peter Company, tell God to choose one of the two they put up and ignore the 'heart of all men' in their perfunctory dismissal of all but two that they chose.
814 posted on 07/25/2007 1:19:08 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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815 posted on 07/25/2007 1:19:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: P-Marlowe; adiaireton8; kosta50; kawaii; xzins; blue-duncan; Alamo-Girl
History has shown that when power is centralized, tyranny is the result. The United States of America could never have come to fruition if not for the Reformation and the subsequent dissipation of power away from the centralized European church.

Well said. Very well said!
816 posted on 07/25/2007 1:21:56 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: MHGinTN
See #752.

-A8

817 posted on 07/25/2007 1:22:19 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: Alamo-Girl; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; kosta50; Iscool; adiaireton8; xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

Study of the Holy Spirit!!

That is one of scripture's most concise studies of the Trinity in Romans 8:9.

What a blessing is this discussion today, A-G. I must depart shortly for our Wednesday evening fellowship and services. I had only shortly ago returned from our daily morning service at the church.

On arriving home this afternoon, I had to go to our family garden to pick some of the squash and cucumbers that had gotten to size. I glanced into the back section of our upper 4 acres, and I noticed that the Japanese beetle trap was again full.

The Lord taught me last week through those beetles.

They can fly. When I find them on the vegetables, I'll shooo them away, and they'll up into the air with that magic of flight that the Designer has engineered for them. It's a meandering path they fly, but up into the sky they go, and earthbound me can simply watch and wonder.

Invariably, though, they fly toward the beetle trap set 50 yards or so back from the garden. I've stood beside it and watched as they fly into the upper yellow boards that hold the scent that attracts them. They drop into the bag and are unable to get out.

I had always thought they couldn't get out because of the narrowness of the neck of the bag and the slickness of the bag's plastic, but last week the bag was full to within an inch of the top.

There was no reason that these flying creatures could not have simply spread their wings and lofted again into the sky to find one of my plants for a juicy meal. But instead, as I watched I noticed that when they landed into the mass of other beetles that they clambered to get atop one another. They would HOLD EACH OTHER BACK in their effort to be #1. Had they cooperated they could have owned the garden. They could have launched one another to freedom. They could...could have flown again!

Because of the full bag, I went to get another bag to empty the mass of thousands of beetles into. I had cut the bottom of the trap and closed it with a snap clothespin so I could open my homemade exit and empty the dead beetles into the trash bag.

It was putrid. The decaying rotting carcasses of beetles that had striven with their brothers to their deaths were liquidy and the stench was breath-taking.

And I was taught of the Lord about His human creatures who can fly if they'll just spread their spiritual wings. I was taught about a church that could enable the captives to be free, who could repair the captives and launch them again to the freedom of flight.

Yet, so often in their clamoring to be #1 they become a stench.

And I was convicted.

818 posted on 07/25/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl
The indwelling Spirit does not confirm your above statement as His own, so no, I do not accept it.

See kosta, you have met another Montanus.

-A8

819 posted on 07/25/2007 1:25:26 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Acts 13:1 Now there were in the church which was at Antioch prophets and doctors, among whom was Barnabas and Simon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene and Manahen who was the foster brother of Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.

13:2. And as they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Ghost said to them: Separate me Saul and Barnabas, for the work whereunto I have taken them.

13:3. Then they fasting and praying and imposing their hands upon them, sent them away.
820 posted on 07/25/2007 1:27:02 PM PDT by DarkSavant
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