Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Lucky for them that Jesus left the Holy SPirit to handle all that(literacy stuff).. you know, the paraclete/comfort'er.. If he didn't the people would be in the hands of the clergy.. like the Jews were when the Lord was murdered.. by clergy..
For all it’s worth, Moses wasn’t present at creation, but I think he recorded it accurately, don’t you?
I do not believe that.
***It’s not an insult; it’s what we believe.***
And it is not an insult when I say I am saved, through Jesus Christ, without your church.
In the beginning was the Word...
What must I do to be saved, said the Jailer. Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
Good enough for me.
***For all it’s worth, Moses wasn’t present at creation, but I think he recorded it accurately, don’t you?
I do not believe that.***
Enough said. You do not believe the Bible.
And the Holy Spirit, directed men such as Luther and Calvin to restore it?
Wouldn't that necessarily mean the Holy Spirit restored the Church out of One-ness and into many-ness? I think a case could be made that fragmenting the Body of Christ in such a fashion is a prima facie case against the proposition. Just a thought...
Thanks very much for your posts and discussions. May God bless you and yours.
No it's not. Insults come from ego. Don't let other people's beliefs insult you. If you think they are wrong, pray for them, and thank God.
Amen.. and a thousand other metaphorical codes..
Multifarious in scope and wonderful in demeanor..
And an entity that will be as real with you are you are with him..
Personal and available.. and a doting parent..
All creation groans for his ultimate appearance..
maranatha..
But a judge can be in error, and a church can be in error, also. Even mine. No church is perfect, because they are run by men. The Scripture is perfect, because it is inspired by God. That is why I say I am saved by the blood of Jesus. It says to believe in Jesus but no where can I find where it says beieve in the church and you shall be saved.
LoL..
It was a question, to give pause to think. I am not infering that it was the case, only that it might be.
What a ludicrous question. Do you imagine Protestants are adverse to kneeling to God?
Protestants kneel to none but Christ.
We do not make the mistake of the RCC which encourages falling down before wooden and gilded statues of men. There is so much admonishment in Scripture against what you do that most Protestants fear for the souls of our RC friends on this one subject alone. God does not take kindly to idol-worship. In fact, its prohibition is the second commandment. And with Mary fast becoming a co-redeemer, you're dangerously hedging the first commandment as well.
You kneel to graven images of human beings. Repent of it.
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands. They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not: They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not: They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat. They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them." -- Psalm 115:3-8 "But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
You know, this monring I just got through explaning to another reformed poster about this and I will not repeat it this late.
Maybe some other time.
Sometime a gardener has to prune a few dead or dying branches in order for the tree to blossom. That doesn’t mean the the plant is dead, but it might have died if the pruning hadn’t taken place.
I have respect for that man.. at least he is HONEST..
Been the case for millenia.. At least he SAID IT..
What he said is earth shaking and should set the tone for conversation..
The daughters of the roman catholic church should KNOW IT..
So that the true church can distance itself.. from the RCC, the EO, and her/their daughters..
If I've gotten you mixed up with someone else, Kosta, please correct me.
LoL.. Exactly..
It isn’t ludicrous. It is an illustration between our different performances of worship.
As stiff necked as you think that I may be, I will physically kneel before God. Or what you might say is my belief in what God is - the Eucharist. The Bible is full of the command to kneel. How much does the average Protestant kneel? How much do you?
I have asked in another thread about the practices of worship as it pertains to kneeling before God and I have had no good answer. I have had none here; I will rely on my time spent in Protestant services: none. Not only a little, none.
I am truly sad about this; I thought that Bible only meant Bible only. And that words meant specific things.
We're told to go into a closet and pray in solitude lest we appear to be boasting about our piety which you seem to be dangerously close to doing by extolling the hours you're on your knees.
And you are conveniently dodging the real issue here, Mark. The real issue is that you bow to the stock of a tree. And I've given you ample examples of Scriptures which tell us this is a profanity to God.
I would rather stand before Jesus Christ than bow to your wooden statues of men.
Please see this recent post by MHGinTN on this very issue. ( 2933)
FK: "Presumably, if [Adam and Eve] had never sinned, then they would still be there today, waiting for an occasional visit by God."
Occasional? How do you figure that? Is God not present all the time in someone who is spiritually pure? Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God. The pristine are in continuous communion with God. (emphasis added)
No, to my knowledge we are given no indication at all that the Spirit indwelt Adam and Eve before the Fall. Do you have any evidence? Jesus sent the Spirit to sinners. Adam had no need for salvation before he sinned, so the Spirit should not have been in him until when and if he ever repented.
Of course the devil snatched them from God. Even your favorite, St. Paul, admits to the same (and Christ died so he may release us), but you probably don't remember those verses.
You're right, I don't remember those verses. Brother, could you spare a dime? :) We were all born equally slaves to sin, but God never lost control of His elect. The elect were and are always in His hand. Barring the usual exceptions, ALL those God predestined did grow up to become believers and followers of Christ. satan stole NOTHING from God.
Let's say that you and I are at a restaurant, and after the meal you, for no apparent reason, put a $100 bill on the table. Let's say that I just pick it up, while looking you straight in the eye, and then walk away. You say nothing. Did I just "steal" or "snatch" from you? Of course not because it was with your tacit approval. It is the same with God and satan, AND, God retains 100% control throughout.
No but [Protestants] believe that if they do commit murder they will still go to heaven.
In the abstract, "Yes", murder does not disqualify one from Heaven. Moses and David were both unlawful (i.e. without God's order) murderers, for example. But no true believing Protestant takes this as a "license" to murder. Instead, we learn from the mistakes of even the greatest Biblical figures. There is simply no connection with our theology and the implications YOUR like-mindeds ascribe to it.
We Reformers "SAY" we follow scripture. Well, what does scripture say??? Does it support signing a "belief" form and then going out and sinning for the rest of our lives? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. "BY NO MEANS" says scripture. So, THAT'S what we ALWAYS preach, but somehow, we are not "allowed" to have that belief by the Apostlics because it doesn't fit their paradigm of us? That doesn't seem very fair. (pout) :)
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