Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)

Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

[kosta50]

mark to Dr. E: God utilizes evil. Do you understand what you’re saying? So do you believe that Satan reports to God?

It is the inevitable conclusion of the Reformed theology. It also shows how far removed it is from Christianity.

In fact, correct me if I am wrong Dr. E, you hold that God created evil too. You consider evil a "creature" of God, don't you?

[D-fendr]

I understand. We have quite different views of what Christ intended to be His Church. And we see a difference between His Church and any individual in it with regard to his or her failings.

There has to be a standard, and that standard is the Word.

And we see Word as Word become Flesh, the second person of the Triune God. He is the head of His visible Church which He established and promised to protect and through whose authority scripture and it's proper interpretation comes.

I understand you do not share these beliefs. But they may help to explain why, for us, choosing between Church or Scripture is a false choice.

thanks for your reply...

[MarkBsnr]

I hadn’t realized how far the minions of Luther have gone.

So Satan serves God in Hell, is that right? God preordains billions of humans to Hell. Satan tortures them beyond the constraints of their human bodies because they are now immortal.

And this is fine with all the Protestants that follow the holy Calvin? It is Biblical? Are the chosen few all drawing sighs of relief because they’re not down on the killing fields for the sport of the demons?

Let’s weigh in here. Hands up all those who are going to avoid the demonic killing fields because they are of the elect. Come on. If you are of the elect, then you have nothing to hide, since you are going to heaven and the rest of us are going to hell.

Come on. Let’s post here, all you of the elect.

[D-fendr]

What has will got to do with pardon? does a prisoner by his will earn a pardon?

If I have to stick with this analogy, the answer is his free will got him in the spot of needing a pardon.

We are suffering under the same..

Until Christ.

The beneficiary cannot dictate the terms of the will, the testator determines who the beneficiaries are.

Sorry, you've gone a judicial theological framework too far for me. :)

[irishtenor]

You are ...
I can’t say it. Suffice it to say that if you find yourself going down a river in a canoe and you have lost your paddle, and you are fast approaching the waterfall, I hope your mother barks loud enough to get everyone’s attention.

You no longer exist to me. I will pray for your lost soul, but, after that, nothing.

[irishtenor]

***Are you so afraid of giving appreciation to loving people (like Saints)who followed the loving will of God that the mere thought of their image takes away from the Glory of God.***

You should see the LOVING comments your friend Mark said to me.

[irishtenor]

Thank you for being cordial, unlike Mark.

[kosta50]

If there is no objective standard, who is to say? the church can’t be the standard since it is made up of fallible men. Tradition can’t be the standard since that was created by fallible men. The only objective standard is God’s word which He prizes above His name and vouch safed by sending the Holy Spirit to witness to our spirit that His word is true

And God's word was corurpted by men so much so that we don't know which is God's and which is man's. Yet the fallible men of the Church infallibly discerned which is is which when they put together the Bible which you accept as infallible, yet deny that the Church is.

[suzyjaruki]

You sound like Goliath; your behavior is that of a philistine. It is one thing to defend your church, but quite another to be cruel!

[kosta50]

If He can pardon any one He chooses why can’t He choose those He pardons before the foundation of the world? Who then can complain

If he pardoned the elect from before the foundations of the world, why go through all this charade of death and suffering then?

[Religion Moderator]

Do not post to or about blue-duncan.

[irishtenor]

The problem comes wen the church and the Bible differ. WHich one do you chose to go with?

[D-fendr]

Your welcome.

Isn’t it odd that discussing God can make us get sooooo angry at times? And we get mean and try to hurt. It’s happened to me more times than I like to remember.

I think it’s good sometimes to look at these fiery threads as a chance to learn patience. And if we can’t, step away for a bit.

I hope you’ll remind me of this next time I need it.

:)

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[MarkBsnr]

It doesn’t matter.

Your soul does.

Instead of being upset at me, why not take a look at what your world view is? If I am wrong about the Campbells and Stone and Rigdon, then I will get on this thread and apologize to all.

If not, ah, if not? May the Lord Jesus Christ influence your soul to do as He would and protect you from all evil. Now, would you deign to answer my questions from above?

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[blue-duncan]

“If he pardoned the elect from before the foundations of the world, why go through all this charade of death and suffering then?”

The judgment had to be satisfied so that God could be pardon whomever He wanted.

[irishtenor]

I will defend my positions with the Bible. I try to not get angry, and usually succede. I do not judge anothers belief, unless it clearly contradicts the Bible. I cannot say whom God has chosen, and neither can anybody else. For him to declare that I am doomed to hell is just not right.

Thank you for the good discussion.

[Religion Moderator]

The behavior on this thread is pathetic. It is now on zero tolerance.

To all posters: Discuss the issues all you want, but do NOT make it personal!

[hosepipe]

[.. Most Christians had the Church to do what Jesus told us to do. It is only after the pride, hubris and delusions of the Protestants took much of Christianity in a different direction, that the Word of God was diluted, changed, altered and distributed to the masses in order to lead them down the wide avenue. ..]

Talk about an example of hubris(above).. Thank GOD many rebellions at different times by different people against the roman catholic church happened.. else that heinous organization would still be enslaving various people in various places.. Sad to say many are still cursed with it.. Thanks for displaying the true roman catholic spirit.. Although widely felt not RC's many have the guts to say it..