Posted on 07/10/2007 6:55:28 PM PDT by indcons
The church is the body of Christ, not your favorite denomination. How can a Christian reading the bible ever be a vain thign?
Thanks for your kind word.
True, true.
Blessings.
Christ did not establish denominations, He established a Church, a real, visible Church that is the pillar and ground of truth, has authority and will never fail.
How can a Christian reading the bible ever be a vain thign?
When it's done out of anything but love.
You are just too much. I have to reject the so-called authority of one who kisses and by that kiss puts his stamp of approval on the Koran. I know many roman catholics that are totally disgusted by that, as they should be. There is something very very wrong about with what he did and also to say that Muslims worship the same God of Abraham. I know that your eyes are yet blinded to see that. It has nothing to do with being RC or not. And to say that discussing Muslims mean they, as a people are flagged for salvation is about as ridiculour idea that I have heard in quite some time. Perhaps you will take all of this to prayer. If you want to follow someone who embraces evil as the office has done, then I certainly cannot do anything more than what I have tried to warn you.
You'll have to prove slander.
I'll openly admit to anti-RC bigotry. So what? I vehemently disagree with their teachings as they disagree with protestant teachings. Big freakin' deal.
And yes, he works hard. So what?
President Bush works hard. He also lives in luxury; the best of food, a mansion, limosines, servants....
Don't confuse luxury with leisure. I know the difference, do you?
So what? Report me some more. I couldn't care less.
Where does the Pope live? The Vatican? Isn't the Vatican a palacial complex?
Or does he live in a 3/2 ranch house in suburbia?
Does the Pope eat day old bread to save a dime?
Or does he eat the best of foods, prepared by professionals?
Does he get his clothes from K mart?
Or are his clothes tailor made from the best of materials?
Does he tend to all his own personal needs?
Or does he have a staff of attendents that serve him?
Of course he has no Earthly worries or needs...everything he could possibly want is his for the asking.
Hmmmm....lives in a palace with guards and servants, first class travel where ever hd goes, top notch food, tailored clothes of fine material (Prada shoes!)...and catered to?
Sounds like luxury to me.
Yes, it is the "body of Christ". That is all born again Christians irrespective of where they are on Sunday morning.
for your own vain reading of scripture. I have laid out the reasoning for anyone willing to see
No, you have not. Not at all. That is why I keep asking you for a scriptural foundation. Your reasoning does not make sense. It is not logical nor is it biblical. When I questioned your reasoning, trying to understand how in the world you came to that conclusion, or when called you on faulty reasong, you resorted to essentially name-calling which goes to show even further that your reasoning does not hold water.
The sad fact that the previous Pope kissed the Koran has nothing to do with what we were discussing, why do you keep bring up the actions of a dead man? Also, no where did I or the catechism state that the Muslims are flagged for salvation. If you can’t accurately represent what my position after this much time, I believe we are wasting each others time. Lets agree to disagree and to pray for all sinners.
No more than it proves that all catholics are logic impared just because one is. I have not read far into this substantial thread. I suspect your glass house has been a pile of shards for a while now.
Thank you for your time and viewpoints.
May He bless you from His grace. His peace be with you.
One Church, One Truth, One Faith, One Lord. One, not many, He is the God of unity, not discord.
Really?!? You had better contact these folks then and get them straightened out: http://jewsforjesus.org/ . At least some of them do.
I had no idea that one forsakes his or her lineage upon a change of heart, but since you have pointed out that the discussion was about the tennants of Jewish faith, allow me to paraphrase: There are ZERO Jews who do not believe in the Trinity who do believe in the trinity. Agreed!
Pardon my error is saying that the Muslims were flagged for salvation. I did not state that right. I meant to say that there is no biblical foundation that says that one group of Gentiles is favored over another. In fact, in the just plain reading of scripture it is obvious that is not the case. It has nothing to do with interpretation because it is very clearly stated throughout all of scripture.
Even though I cannot agree to disagree, I will agree that this conversation has more than run its course. You cannot see that the Muslims serve Satan, and I certaintly can't change that. All I could do was to point it out. What you do with that fact is between you and the Lord God Jesus Christ on that day.
As long as your happy, that’s what counts.
Great, you finally see that for what ever reason, Muslims will play some role in God's plan of salvation, a role that seems to have more prominence, shall we say than the Yanomamo.!
The teaching that it is, and the demonstration of it by a pope kissing the koran is what we have been discussing\
No I was discussing a section of the catechism on the Muslims that was being misrepresented by several protestant posters, you brought up Pope John Paul II.
I meant to say that there is no biblical foundation that says that one group of Gentiles is favored over another.
There is no biblical foundation for needing a biblical foundation. There's a man made tradition that calls for it but I would recommend against clinging to those kind of things.
Best of luck.
You’ve shown admirable restraint and self-control in your posts. If you’d like to carry on a courteous discussion on some of the points you mentioned, I would welcome it.
In Christ.
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