Thank God For the Magisterium

NCR ^ | June 10, 2007 | Mark Shea

[Petronski]

If all you've got is a nonsensical turn of phrase, then that's all you've got.

You seem to define "nonsensical" as everything you don't understand.

[OLD REGGIE]

Here's just a short lesson from the Catechism.

Tradition, Scripture, and Magisterium lead the church. There are a lot of fine points which tell you how but that’s a lot of reading for someone just wanting to know a little. The Magisterium has the ability and authority to understand and teach the truths found explicitly and implicitly in Tradition and Scripture. Tradition and Scripture together make up the Sacred Deposit of Faith. Sacred Tradition is infallible, and it is the source of Sacred Scripture.

Maybe the most important lesson was omitted:

88. The Church's Magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes truths contained in DIVINE REVELATION or also when it proposes in a definitive way truths having a necessary connection with them.

"Divine Revelation" is the double dark, secret revealed to the select few in the club. If you don't have Scripture, or Tradition you can always fall back on "Divine Revelation".

[Dr. Eckleburg]

our respect and love for Mary

We'd probably agree it's prudent to follow Christ as much as possible in all matters.

Christ rebuked the woman who praised His mother, instead saying her praise was better given to those who believe in Him -- you and me.

"And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." -- Luke 11:27-28

[Petronski]

Your own personal interpretation of scripture is just that: YOURS. To attribute perfection to it is to make yourself the final arbiter, but try as you may, you can not get it done, for you are not the final arbiter, and your own personal interpretation of scripture is not the correct one just because you say so.

One’s petulant insistence that all see it the same is pathetic and sad, nothing more. It is an admission of surrender. It is defeat.

[trisham]

"Divine Revelation" is the double dark, secret revealed to the select few in the club. If you don't have Scripture, or Tradition you can always fall back on "Divine Revelation".

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I'm surprised at this response. It was my impression that tiki's post to you was a sincere attempt to communicate.

[Petronski]

Oh and, try as I might, I cannot locate sola pjr12345 anywhere in the bible.

I am not bound by your flawed interpretation of anything (thank God).

[Petronski]

I haven't found sola reggie in the Bible either.

[trisham]

Pehaps Christ saw into the woman’s heart in a way that we cannot. I suspect He still loves His Mother, as do we.

[Petronski]

What a shame that this thread has taken this turn.

I have found that it is inevitable once a Catholic dares refuse to accept the personal interpretation of scripture handed down (as if from above) from a Protestant.

[pjr12345]

So who doesn’t have a YOPIOS? Who is the “final arbiter of Scripture? Who do you trust to interpret it for you? In whom have you entrusted the fate of your eternal soul? What man or organization of men have you ceded your personal responsibility to?

[Petronski]

Pehaps Christ saw into the woman’s heart in a way that we cannot. I suspect He still loves His Mother, as do we.

No. NO! It cannot be. You've been told such is not the case, why do you persist?

</sarc>

[OLD REGGIE]

1 Timothy 3:15
if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

And then, there's this:

Matthew 18:17
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

No, no, not that Church. I was referring to the Roman Catholic Church.

[Petronski]

So who doesn’t have a YOPIOS?

God.

Who is the “final arbiter of Scripture?"

Not you.

In whom have you entrusted the fate of your eternal soul?

Not you.

What man or organization of men have you ceded your personal responsibility to?

Faulty premise, but in any event, not you.

[Petronski]

You avoided his question.

[pjr12345]

In your own words: You avoided his question.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Hmmm...Sounds like the “private interpretation” of the magisterium.

[Petronski]

I gave an answer you did not like. He gave no answer at all.

[pjr12345]

Well then. Who interprets Scripture for you?

[Petronski]

Not you.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Perhaps Christ saw into the woman's heart in a way that we cannot.

But that argument is worthless. "Perhaps" is never evidence of anything other than speculation. Even more so when Scripture further contradicts that speculation.

I suspect He still loves His Mother, as do we.

No Protestant imagines for a moment that Christ did not love His mother. As mothers go, she must have been wonderful. But Scripture tells us He didn't love His mother any more than He loves you and me.