Posted on 06/04/2007 11:17:36 AM PDT by pjr12345
Co-redemptrix is a problematic title, even in Catholic circles. The above statement alone proves that it isn't worth my time debating you on the issue of veneration of Mary. Besides, it's quarter past midnight where I am. Time to go to bed. Good night, God bless.
Faith is to Baptism
as
Cookies are to Milk
Come on. Let’s show some consistency, will ya? ;)
If your interpretation is correct, then you’ll need to tell me which Scripture to follow. Shall I simply “believe”, or shall I “believe and confess”? Perhaps I should “believe and be baptized”, or “repent and be baptized”. Or, I could simply “continue in obedience”. Which of the Scriptures is correct, and which is wrong?
Following your train of thought, then even if Jesus did baptize the Apostles (pre-resurrection), it wouldn’t have been sufficient to add them to the Church.
I see your logic. I can’t say I agree with your premise.
SSSSTTTTRRRREEEEETTTTCCCCHHHH!!!!
SSSSSNNNNNNAAAAAAPPPPP!!!!
There goes the fabric of reality!
I had it recited to me plenty in my youth. By the grace of God I began reading the Bible, and learned the truth. Now I go directly to God, and trust my Mediator, Jesus. He forgave me for the sins of my present and my youth which the mumbo-jumbo recited by Priests, and the vain, repetitive prayers I dutifully recited in “penance” couldn’t.
Halt! Who goes there! Friend or foe?
Why aren’t all those in Christ friends?
Why indeed!
You do what the Church of Christ tells you to do. I'll do what Jesus tells me to do. I've been baptized. Evidently that's not good enough since I wasn't baptized in your church.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
I've had this argument with COC people many times. You can not think on your own. Much like the Jehovah's Witnesses. You drink their KoolAid.
I'm not going to argue this any more. You and I can both send Scripture to each other defending our point. You believe what you want, I'll believe the Holy Spirit. You won't listen to me and I certainly won't listen to you. Have a good evening. In Christ, Wiley
Not sure why you’ve gotten so bent out of shape. I haven’t attacked you. Everything I’ve provided is backed up by Scripture. And I’ve raised a legitimate question about the consistency of the doctrine you’ve professed.
You said, “I’ll do what Jesus tells me to do,” and “I’ll believe the Holy Spirit”. They speak through the God-breathed Scripture. The doctrine you profess creates contradictions in the Scripture. So one of two things must be true: (1) The Scripture is in error; or (2) the doctrine is in error. Perhaps I’ve missed something. I’d be pleased to have you clear the matter up for me.
As to your baptism... I never criticized it in any way. The acceptability of it is a matter between you and God. I’ve no part in it.
As to your insults... the last bastion of a failing defense.
As to your sign-off, “In Christ, Wiley”... unconvincing after all the insults.
Again, if you'd like, we can both send each other defending scripture all night long.
As to your sign-off, “In Christ, Wiley”... unconvincing after all the insults.
I did not intend to insult you. But the insult is the twisting of Scripture. I do not need your acceptance or to convince you of anything. I have the Grace of my Lord. I suggest that you continue to follow your doctrine. If that "works" for you, good. I know however that I can NEVER do anything to be good enough for Heaven so I will rely on the Grace of God. The blood of Jesus was enough for me.
Again, In Christ
As a parting thought, If my words were taken as insults, I'm sorry. No excuse, but I've had a really long and expensive day. Like I said, no excuse if I sounded insulting but that is the reason.
Let's take this up on another occasion and under prayerful guidance.
In Christ, Wiley
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
You are depending on too many Textual scholars. Think about it God is not mocked. Lets see what happens if we accept these Great Scholars OR idiots as I call them. Do you really in all honesty and sincerity believe that the great book of faith the Gospel of Mark would end with
Mar 16:8 And they went out quickly, and fled from the sepulcher; for they trembled and were amazed: neither said they any thing to any man; for they were afraid.
Do you believe this or are you just grasping at straws?
Agreed!
I find the, “If I don’t like what it says, it probably shouldn’t be in the Bible” defense appalling. The lengths some will travel in order to preserve a false doctrine! It’s hardly worth a reply. I mean, what do they want to hear, “I agree, let’s remove it!”
The Clinton argument bothers me almost as much. This is the “It depends on what the definition of is is” - in Greek, and is applied especially to Acts 2:38, and to others as well.
Romans 12:2 — And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
when you get baptized you are standing up then layed down immersed like a burial,then stand up again. Thats how I was Baptized for the remission of my sins.
Can God Lie?
Heb 6:16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife. Heb 6:17 Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: Heb 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
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