Posted on 06/01/2007 6:12:31 AM PDT by pby
Edited on 06/01/2007 6:55:53 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Now who is being dishonest
I have many members of my family who are Mormons. I have yet to find where any of my Mormon relatives did not get baptized on behave of those in my family who die that where not Mormons.
Why do they do this because they don't believe they are save unless they are in the Mormon church
That is what I figured.
Now will you admit that the quotes from the various Mormon sources are accurate and that the people who spoke or wrote them were:
1) Mormons who were high ranking officials in the Mormons church;
2) Probably had more authority to speak on Mormon Doctrine than you; and
3) Actually believed that what they wrote was consistent with what the Mormon Church taught at the time?
So you agree then that he will be a god someday?
He was not translated!
Then Enoch and Elijah are gods now?
To humiliate another that has sinned with guilt and shame #1 & 2 as the method most often used by churches...
1- Guilt says their behavior is bad
2- Shame says they are bad
or
3- enabling broken heart and contrite spirit
4- Godly sorrow or remorse is different
Godly sorrow is a gift of the spirit it a deep realization that our actions have offended the Father and our God it is a sharp awareness that this kind of sin has caused our Savior who knew no sin even the greatest of all to endure agony and suffering and bleed at every pore for our sins.
Once this awareness is awaken than one has a broken heart and contrite spirit this is the prerequisite for true repentance.
Many individuals shame themselves thus impair themselves from the process of feeling this Godly sorrow for their sins.
Godly sorrow is humbling NOT humiliating it a catalyst for a transformation of creating for a lasting change.
Is the Southern Baptist Church the church of the devil?
I may have some reservations about the accuracy and completeness of the quotes, but for the sake of argument, I will play along.
. . . and that the people who spoke or wrote them were:
1) Mormons who were high ranking officials in the Mormons church;
OK, that is undoubtedly true.
2) Probably had more authority to speak on Mormon Doctrine than you; and
Since I claim no authority, I have to agree.
3) Actually believed that what they wrote was consistent with what the Mormon Church taught at the time?
I think so.
However, I would also add:
4) Those high ranking officials often presented their own opinions, which they (and their listeners) recognized as such;
5) Those high ranking officials sometimes disagreed with each other;
6) As members of the LDS Church, we are obligated to support the current President of the Church, and not past leaders;
7) God is the ultimate authority.
No.
That's headquartered in Mecca.
Ask any Mormon that you know, if they believe that YOU, as a "born again" believer in Jesus Christ but NOT a member of their church, are going to heaven, as is promised to all those who have admitted that they were sinners, prayed for forgiveness, and asked Jesus Christ to come into their lives forever.
Ask any Mormon you know, if their church teaches and preaches that ONLY MORMONS are the TRUE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, and that all others are in apostacy and NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL!
The real question is NOT whether a Mormon is Christian but rather DO MORMONS BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE ONE, IF YOU ARE NOT A MORMON!
are you saying that only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day saints who's headquarters are in salt lake city posses that authority. if not please name another
Let me get something clear I have no problem with someone who believes that the faith they hold to is the true faith. the Bible teach that there is one faith,
Now you are changing the subject.
no I am not I am pointing out a inconsistency. action speak louder than words the fact that Mormons get baptized for the dead who are not Mormons proves that Mormons believe that to be save you have to become Mormons.
No
Add Duncan Hunter to the PRO-LIFE list, please. Has been from the beginning, never altered for any election, vote, etc. Has a 100% pro-life voting record in Congress for 14 yrs to boot.
More importantly, who is acked? Freepers", Christians?, Catholics?, Heathens?, Fundies that believe and read the bible everyday? Getting the right answer is about asking the right people isn't it.
Yes.
no I am not I am pointing out a inconsistency. action speak louder than words the fact that Mormons get baptized for the dead who are not Mormons proves that Mormons believe that to be save you have to become Mormons.
Yes, I already addressed that. To be saved, one must be baptized by one having the proper authority. To be a Christian, however, one must have a commitment to Jesus Christ. Thus, one can be a Christian without having been baptized properly.
I would add that God gives all persons the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ. He also arranges for everyone who desires it to be baptized, either in life or by proxy after death. Mormonism teaches that God excludes no one from his offer of salvation.
My family, who are Mormons, have each taken lists of names, gone to the Temple in Salt Lake, many times to be baptized for their dead relatives, and many, many others.
I told one family member that she need not be baptized for me as I already had been. She informed me that I "had not had a legitimate baptism as I had not been baptized into the MORMON faith, therefore, would not be able to enter in to the Celestial Kingdom."
Rom. 8:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
This is sort of conversation is silly because all spirits are eternal and are gods of some sort, not all will have gender only those in the Celestial Kingdom who will have a body of Flesh and Bone.
Even bodiless Satan is a god!
Yes
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
I suspect that sets the boundaries for the debate.
That being said, if Gordon Hinkley stands up at the General Conference and explains some Mormon Doctrine, can we assume that what he says is the current teaching of the LDS Church?
Can we quote him when we say "The Mormon Church teaches..."?
And can we then quote what the prior prophets have spoken and say "At one time The Mormon Church taught..."?
What is Kolob? And there is a COUNCIL OF GODS in Mormonism? Are you sure?
Hey Logo, is this Mormon doctrine?
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