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Justified by Baptism (fallout from the Beckwith conversion grows)
Pontifications ^ | May 8, 2007 | Fr Alvin Kimel

Posted on 05/09/2007 10:01:17 AM PDT by NYer

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To: narses; ears_to_hear; Campion
"You do, as an individual, what the Council of Trent did as an Apostolic Authority. You have no such authority. They did."

All who take up the great commission have that apostolic authority by virtue of having taken up that commission. In short, all of the body of Christ have it. If you don't have it, get it!

41 posted on 05/09/2007 4:32:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: ears_to_hear

Where did Trent curse anyone to hell?


42 posted on 05/09/2007 4:34:12 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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editor-surveyor says (regarding Apostolic Authority):
All who take up the great commission have that apostolic authority by virtue of having taken up that commission. In short, all of the body of Christ have it. If you don't have it, get it!
I ask, why then did the Apostles get selected as a body by Our Lord and why, when they were diminished by the treachery of Judas did they select ONE to fill that place? Why not simply assume (as you have) that ALL baptized in Christ have equal authority? What odd reading of Scripture puts you on the same plane as St. Peter?
43 posted on 05/09/2007 4:37:03 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: ears_to_hear

He is unsaved because he does not agree with you?


44 posted on 05/09/2007 4:37:50 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: NYer

I saw an interesting interview on “The Journey Home”, with a former Baptist. She said that after she read the writings of the early church fathers (those that had contact with the apostles), she realized that “she had been robbed”, and regretted that she had lost so much valuable time missing out on Christ in the Holy Eucharist.

She also said that her family and her best friend turned on her and that caused her great anguish; it was painful to watch.

It’s so sad that there is so much animosity between Christians, the only one who gains by this is the devil.


45 posted on 05/09/2007 4:39:54 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: narses

I assume only what the Lord himself said, and the fruit of his apostles demonstrate daily.


46 posted on 05/09/2007 4:40:00 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: NYer
I'm not sure what led Beckwith to return to the Catholic Church - or what led him to leave for that matter.

As for me, while I realize that every church has its issues, there are simply some lines that, when crossed, act as a bucket of cold water in the face and can't be ignored. The Vatican's reponse - or more appropriately, lack of response - to the German Catholics who were fundraising to build mosques for immigrants was such a moment for me.

Currently visiting a LCMS congregation and am satisfied with my decision.
47 posted on 05/09/2007 4:41:13 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: narses

That is the original meaning of anathema


48 posted on 05/09/2007 4:51:22 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: RobbyS

No because he is unsaved because he is looking to his law keeping and works and a church to be saved.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.


49 posted on 05/09/2007 4:56:16 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: NYer; Gamecock; Campion; Alex Murphy
Ahem ... .you may want to revisit the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS ON SALVATION .

ahem you may want to visit the word of God

Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jhn 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Jhn 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jhn 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Jhn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Jhn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am [he], ye shall die in your sins.

Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment::9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

Jhn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

50 posted on 05/09/2007 5:01:51 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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It’s not like he’s going to win them the pennant now, is it?

It all depends on who we got in trade. :-)

51 posted on 05/09/2007 5:02:11 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008 (or Fred Thompson if he ever makes up his mind))
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To: diamond6

I have a church full of former Catholics that feel they were misled and deceived by the Catholic church ..


52 posted on 05/09/2007 5:03:44 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: editor-surveyor
I assume only what the Lord himself said, and the fruit of his apostles demonstrate daily.
Where did Our Lord say that EVERYONE was an Apostle and had Apostolic Authority?
53 posted on 05/09/2007 5:13:22 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: ears_to_hear

All four of them, right? As opposed to the more than one BILLION who hold dear the True Church.


54 posted on 05/09/2007 5:14:08 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: ears_to_hear

So? What was the meaning the Council intended? The Church does not ever “damn” anyone to hell.


55 posted on 05/09/2007 5:15:18 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

LOL, Actually we have as many at our services on Sundays as most local Catholic churches do.

How is it that if there is all that comfort in the Catholic church under threat of going to hell 75% of Catholics still do not go to church


56 posted on 05/09/2007 5:26:23 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: narses

Sure they do. Read trent.


57 posted on 05/09/2007 5:27:27 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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To: ears_to_hear

I have, they don’t. But you sure do, why?


58 posted on 05/09/2007 5:46:37 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses
"Where did Our Lord say that EVERYONE was an Apostle and had Apostolic Authority?"

Whenever he spoke, he spoke to all of us, and Paul reiterated all of it in his epistles, where he was always speaking to the church, not to the original disciples. The power of the Holy Spirit is working just as much today as at Pentecost.

59 posted on 05/09/2007 6:19:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.)
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To: editor-surveyor

So you deny the Apostles Creed?


60 posted on 05/09/2007 6:22:18 PM PDT by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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