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New Believer Jailed in Mexico for Receiving Christ
Crosswalk.com ^ | April (17th?) 2007 | Jeff Sellers

Posted on 04/17/2007 8:44:15 PM PDT by Terriergal

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To: OLD REGGIE
I'm bemused. I thought you were sufficiently philosophically inclined to give me some help with that question. Evidently you've fallen under the Protestant spell and think everything is about combat, about winning and losing. The idea of looking for areas of agreement and of possible shared enquiries is just totally foreign to you all, isn't it? It's all about, as Deacon Mushrat said in another connection, shoving peace down their bloosthirsty throats. And if we don't sit stil land swallow our medicine,l ou get all huffy and accuse us of trying to put you on merry-go-rounds. Well, the Prots here have done it. I've met exactly one (for those of you not intellectually inclined, that means at least one and no more than one) who showed the leaat interest in shared enquiry. The rest all wanted to lay a trip on me and thought that when they called me a fool that was just pastoral concern, but when I asked for the source behind their lies about the Church I was, trying to put them on merry-go-rounds

Y'all have fun, y'hear? Get back to me if you ever want to do anything other than push me around.

481 posted on 04/25/2007 3:57:41 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: Quix

Will read the update later, time permits.

On calling the Holy Apostles gods you have a point, — provided the preist in deed said it, meant it, did not retract it etc. This is after all oral translated speech reported by an evangelical newssource.

If the priest meant it, he is out of line with Rome. There is still no basis to call the entire Chruch idolatrous and hostile to the Gospel.

At any rate, one simply cannot conclude what is in people’s hearts from pious behavior. We can, and will prostrate in front of and kiss the Holy Images and no one can tell us that we worship idols and expect to get away with it.


482 posted on 04/25/2007 5:58:22 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex

no one can tell us that we worship idols and expect to get away with it.

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However, we can say that the appearances are troublesome.

And, imho, I’d rather be doing all I could to convey an opposite impression than anything remotely close to implying; or anything close to giving anyone grounds for inferring that I or any of my co-religionists were even in the same galactic cluster as idol worship.

But, as I said, we all have vulnerabilities toward idolatry.

Someone said recently to me that I construed RC idolatries as inherent, indemic and Protie idolatries more situational or some such—maybe incidental or accidental.

That’s not quite accurate. I do believe that a LOT of the !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of the ancient RC edifice makes idolatries inherantly seem quite kosher without much movement in thought or action or motivation.

However, Prottie idolatries have their own inherent aspects, too. They are just not overtly sanctioned, labeled, encouraged in ways that make the steps between kosher attitudes, behviors and motives such small steps as seems to be the case in the RC edifice.

And, while I haven’t sat in on that many RC sermons, One often hears Protie pastors, preachers, evangelists teaching stridently against all manner of Protie idolatries. I rarely hear of RC folks doing that in or out of the pulpit. Instead, there’s all kinds of heat and noise justifying idolatrous appearing behaviors. That difference is more than a bit striking.


483 posted on 04/25/2007 7:56:53 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD!)
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To: HarleyD
Is absence of evidence the same thing as evidence of absence? Right up until our last sentence I thought, "Oh, I'm wrong! Here's a protestant who wants to have a conversation!" But I wasn't wrong, I guess. You think if we don't have evidence in Scripture that means the thing we don't have evidence of never happened -> We don't have Scriptural evidence that any apostle or successor of the Apostles when to Africa, BUT we do have evidence of a Church in Africa -> A church was founded w/o Apostolic Succession.

Predictably, I take a different view. I do NOT think absence of evidence is evidence of absence. SO I would say that the absence of Scriptural evidence of an Apostle or successor to the apostles going to Africa is not grounds to conclude that none ever did.

I thought (and I am often wrong) that you said that there was no need for, so to speak, follow-up -- that if God wants a Church somewhere, He'll settle for one person in that place having heard the Gospel once.

So I was not saying that the only Churches ever founded we're founded by Paul. I was suggesting that Paul seems to have thought that follow-up was a good thing.

But I could have misunderstood you. That's one of my skills.

484 posted on 04/25/2007 8:40:25 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: annalex
We can, and will prostrate in front of and kiss the Holy Images and no one can tell us that we worship idols and expect to get away with it. This past Good Friday we did Stations at noon, and for the last station they took a humongo (well, large to ME anyway) Icon of the interred Jesus down to the courtyard and put it in a sort of representative tomb.

There were a many tears shed and prostrations made. I thought and prayed,"Lord, this is what I'd do if you were here and now rather than there and then."

OF course, some people, upon seeing a woman kissing a letter she was about to send to her husband away in a Combat Zone, would accuse her of loving paper.

485 posted on 04/26/2007 8:24:14 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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To: Mad Dawg
Y'all have fun, y'hear? Get back to me if you ever want to do anything other than push me around.

My way or the highway? Have fun.

I'm afraid you're not satisfied unless you have it your way.

486 posted on 04/26/2007 11:09:41 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
I'm afraid you're not satisfied unless you have it your way.

I'm sorry you are experiencing that fear. My opinion is that there is nothing I have done or said which would make me responsible for it and nothing I can say or do to help you overcome it.

487 posted on 04/26/2007 11:46:35 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Jesus loves me, this I know, for his Mother tells me so. (and the Church and the Bible too))
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