Posted on 03/22/2007 9:54:02 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
So you admit rhis alleged plan has nothing to do with God's temple (which, after all, is in heaven) or prophecy being fulfilled.
"Bigoted" can be a highly subjective term. People may use it defensively simply because they do not like the way truth comes at them. It's kind of a coping mechanism for dealing with an unpleasant reality.
"But he continued, 'You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.'" (John 8:23,24)
Jesus said lots of things that offended the powers of His day, and they put Him to death for His "offense". I guess calling a person a bigot is better than trying to kill them.
I think that would be going a bit too far.
It certainly COULD be the fulfillment of prophecy. Time ALWAYS proves futurists right or wrong.
Is it possible that this temple could be torn down and another built in a future era that would be the one mentioned in 2 Thess 2. Maybe.
But, in any case, there would be a temple there, and when there is that would make a thinking man do some thinking.
I agree. But rest assured not this person given the history of your posting.
"But he continued, 'You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.'" (John 8:23,24)
He also allegedly continued: Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Jesus said lots of things that offended the powers of His day, and they put Him to death for His "offense". I guess calling a person a bigot is better than trying to kill them.
I'm happy for him if he indeed said those things. But Jesus, unlike you, would probably have read my posts and noticed that I called a theology bigoted and not any one person. But then I guess if the shoe fits who am I to offer the shoehorn.
While it is easy to point to many obstacles in the natural order of things, it is far more important to realize that with this very small parcel of land -- the land called Holy -- we are dealing with a supernatural order of things. As the Eternal Word Jesus Christ has written so it will be, and it is for us to prepare ourselves and our households and to extend the divine mercy of the Good News of Christ to others while there is day.
My point was that animal sacrifices are no longer effective. Christ made the ultimate sacrifice and they refuse to accept Him.
They have been wrong so far.
Is it possible that this temple ...
What temple? Isn't that part of the fantasy?
The more men fix their eyes on an earthly temple the more they ignore the heavenly Temple and the throne of David where Jesus now reigns. That is why God destroyed the earthly temple.
But of the true Temple, Jesus said, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
That is the only Temple we should be pointing out to people.
If there's a temple sitting there some day, then that certainly opens up the possibilities. Just common sense.
Do you think the temple will be rebuilt?
That's a theory of rather recent origin that creates more problems than it allegedly solves.
did not say to Satan...hey, you have no authority to offered them to me.
Actually, Satan had no such authority. Just look at Jesus's response, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.' " Jesus made it clear God alone had authoriy over the nations and that they would all belong to Jesus by the power of His resurrection. "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."
Renald Showers.
I am familiar with the dispensational party line having been one myself. In fact I could have written the same material because I read the same material as Showers and his friends. They all draw on the same flawed interpretation of a few select Scriptures. They rely on a hyper-literalist interpretation of some OT passages and ignore most of the NT explanation of the kingdom.
Please consider that we gentile Christians lost much in understanding of the old and New Testament when the gentiles surplanted the Jews during the time of Constitine. ... its grounded in Jewish meaning which we has lost.
Historical revisionism. The Church has always had the deposit of the truth because we have always had the infallible Word of God. The Church has always been blessed with Hebrew and Greek scholars as well as those versed in church history. I don't think a "latter day saints" approach to Biblical theology is very helpful.
His Bride, the Church. (But don't overlook that Isreal Is descibed as the wife of Jehovah God...
Is this one of those veiled suggestions that God is a polygamist? I'm sorry, I don't buy it.
Temple or WalMart, it doesn't make much difference to God.
Your preconceptions enable you to see through only one lens.
What history books have you been reading? There have been Jews living in that region since the time of Christ. There are still more Jews living in US than Israel. And it doesn't look to change in the near future.
until the last Gentile be come in in ...then....
Then what? The judgment. There will be no second chance. Unless a Jew comes to Christ in this age he will be eternally lost. Today is the day of salvation. Anyone who says differently is playing with folks' immortal souls.
The Passover sacrifice has nothing to do with the Temple, which is exactly why the 'Sanhedrin' is playing with the idea.
One young man, studying for traditional rabbinic ordination, asked me, "Don't they know that no one takes them seriously?"
Non-Jews are far more impressed by this would-be Sanhedrin than are Jews, precisely because non-Jews are little aware of the insurmountable obstacles to it.
How many lens do I need to see through? (This sounds like some post-modernist question.)
OK, do you have any NT verses, esp. after Jesus announced the destruction of the temple (which occurred in AD70) that says the earthly temple in Jerusalem would be rebuilt? Seems odd that Jesus would speak of its destruction, and speak of Himslf as the true temple, and overlook this (alleged) gaping hole that the temple needs to be rebuilt.
One would get the impression that Jesus was spiritualizing the temple as an ultimate reference to Himself.
"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
There's no getting around Jesus's view of the temple.
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