Catholic Church & Jesus Christ-Why No One Should Be A Catholic

Apostolic Messianic Fellowship ^ | August 30, 2005 | Why No One Should Be A Catholic

[Mad Dawg]

If you think you can lose it, you never had it in the first place.Kierkegaard much?

In seriousness, isn't there disagreement among Protestants about this? I am certainly drawn to Kierkegaard and that line, but I always remember Bunyans line which is more or less "Then I saw that there was a way to hell even from the gates of heaven."

I'm not fighting here, just wondering: what do you make of Peter denying Christ in terms of this question?

[Mad Dawg]

I cannot tell you. There is a miracle here! I am suffering more and more and yet not suffering because (as I interpret it) I am so lifted up by so many prayers! This is the most amazing blessing!

I couldn't sleep until 0400 this AM and I've been some groggy today. I have had a chance to do morning prayer and the office of readings and to pray a lot. I got a little weepy over psalm 42-43 because I remembered how used to go rejoicing with the multitude in the house of God, like on Sunday. But I can go unto the altar of God right here!

Okay I'm babbling again.

[Campion]

You Romans are late comers as your organization began as the "Imperial Church of The Roman Empire"

You'll look in vain for that name anywhere in history.

Don't play the "Church of Christ" name game. Someone can call their church whatever they want to call it, but calling it the "Church of Christ" or the "Church of God" doesn't make it the NT church, anymore than calling an orange an "apple" makes it the apple William Tell shot off his son's head.

Playing pretend games with names isn't a substitute for real historical scholarship.

But for what it's worth (IMO, not much), the Catholic Church, in her official documents, quite frequently refers to herself as the "Church of Christ" and also as the "People of God".

[OLD REGGIE]

You can assert anything you want to, but that doesn't make it true. You can insist that barely any Catholics have read the CCC. I don't know why you feel like you need to make this false assertion, but I guess it is in keeping the false nature of this article.

You haven't provided one iota of proof for your presperous claim. Numbers please.

[the808bass]

LOL!!! How ya doin' 808?

Can't complain, thanks for asking. Hope you and the fam are well.

[Mad Dawg]

Guys! Guys!

It's the vicodin taking, I'm sure, but this is a silly argument! We're all just guessing. Has either of you done a meaningful sample?

Anyway, I would humbly suggest that the real deal is not how many times you've been through [the book in question] but how many times it's been through you.

So what if it's just us who have read it (or in my case, who have read IN it)? Our view is that the Church is a hospital for people with afflictions, and some aren't ready yet, and some will never be ready to read the Catechism. My kid is pretty devout. She's also learning disabled out the wazoo. Not unintelligent, just afflicted with a weird constellation of neuro stuff secondary to myoclonic epilepsy of infancy. (she's lucky to be alive, frankly and we are always rejoicing.)(and if you need any Avon stuff, now you know whom to call, right?) If she EVER reads the catechism I will personally faint.

So enough of this stuff,please, or Ill come break YOUR feet -- just as soon as I can walk again.

[OLD REGGIE]

If we can count the Baltimore Catechism, I would say many. The newer catechism, which is written at a higher level, is much more wordy.

I learned the essentials of the Baltimore Catechism as a youth. I consider it an Elementary School Catechism. Even then we didn't read it cover to cover. We were drilled to answer the few "magic" questions.

I specifically spoke of the Catechism Of The Catholic Church in order to concentrate on the official teaching of the RCC.

I can't conceive of a person reading the Catechism Of The Catholic Church any more than one would read the Encyclopedia Brittanica from cover to cover.

[Mad Dawg]

One who knows and practices Catholic teaching. :-)

Wow, I HOPE he's practicing, he sure hasn't got the hard parts figured out yet ....

[Frank Sheed]

Each time I visit, I bow to the ground and shout "I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy!"

[slurp...AAHHHHHHHH!]

Slainte!
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[OLD REGGIE]

I guess this is a backhanded way of admitting your attack on "Protestant Theology" was is mistaken?.

How can something which doesn't exist be mistaken?

(Did you know the html coding is lost in the quote mechanism?) :-(

[Mad Dawg]

Ellis Island was the immigrant processing place. Riker's Island is the New York City jail.

OOOPS! Nice catch. Now you know that my last job involved hauling a (very nice, totally clueless) bad guy from NY to Virginia on an extradition. And we waited all morning in the Brooklyn court-rrom with the hardest most uncomfortable pews I have EVER sat in. It can't have been an accident. There is somebody somewhere who knows how to make pews PAINFUL!

Okay. Now for the cover-up. Of COURSE I meant Rikers, as in "they will not turn you loose until you have paid the last penny". (dusting self off, looking around to see if anybody noticed)

[Frank Sheed]

I should show you my Irish dance medal. I had more than a few pints and was the only one of the American contingent who would could stand. In any case, it's beautiful! I cry every time I take a look at it. It reminds me of Dublin....as do empty Guinness tankards.

[gondramB]

>>Yes, we all worship God and that is my point. Would the foundation of the church not be on the one we are to worship? <<

Just sticking to things that Jesus said, the Lord is present with every believer and in particular where two or more gather in his name.

So while I am not Catholic and couldn't be Catholic I don't see any reason to assail their faith.

If anybody, Catholic, protestant or other does evil acts to other claiming to act for God, I certainly have no problem condemning those acts.

But document we are starting from isn't about helping anybody - its about "my faith in God is better than yours" and thats not in the right spirit or the holy Spirit.

[trisham]

LOL! You are full of life, Mr. Sheed. :)

[trisham]

LOL! You're in rare form tonight. :)

[Frank Sheed]

Please tell Old Reggie why Christ appeared to Mary Magdalene before the Apostles in the Gospel of John. He is either writing another Dan Brown novel or wants to make a point of some kind. He doesn't accept any of the abundant references for the Papacy I've given so I am going to hand this off to a higher authority ecclesiastically. I know a Dominican can always take care of business.

St. Thomas Aquinas, pray for us...and Old Reggie.

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[Diego1618]

There is absolutely NOTHING in scripture that suggests that the Blessed Virgin Mary had any other children.

[Psalms 69:8] I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Then this does not qualify as a suggestion....or a hint?

[OLD REGGIE]

So enough of this stuff,please, or Ill come break YOUR feet -- just as soon as I can walk again.

You are right. We are having a silly argument. The next time someone insists many Catholics have read the catechism cover to cover I'll just reply with WOW!. See. I'm easy.

As far as feet go, I have had a paralyzed foot for more than 23 years. I'd probably be finished if you broke the other one. :-(

[Ping-Pong]

Yes, the Lord is present with us all. I am not assailing anyone's faith and no one is saying "my faith is better than yours".

Please refer back to the original post. It was stated that the church was founded on Peter. My reply is that it was not founded on Peter but rather on our Lord Jesus Christ. He is the reason for our churches, not Peter.

[Frank Sheed]

I have been told I am full of a lot of things, but not "life" lately. Compliments ARE appreciated though, m'lady.