Posted on 03/04/2007 8:21:23 AM PST by Iscool
And it's how you can get psalms like 19 and 119. LAW is not a good translation of Torah, I suspect. "Teaching" is good and I like "instruction" because that has aspects both of "command" and of "teaching". When things don't work, the instructions are SO NICE to have!
Sunday!
Exactly!
Glad we can agree on that fundamental point!
I hope it goes well and that your feet don't hurt.
This isn't at all clear. I'm looking at the texts for worship for tghe Paschal Feast. I see no mention of eggs or rabbits and no fertility goddess.
Maybe some other people a long time ago had a Spring festival related to some fertility goddess. But I don't. I guess these days, with Wicca and all, there are some modern people that get all excited about fertility and such. But I don't.
So why does what some Pagans did affect me? Why is what some wiccan kooks do now supposed to have anythign to do with me? Are the gods of the Pagans so much stronger than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that they get to sort of co-opt what is done on a day they think is theirs?
I worship the great King above all Gods. When He and His worshippers show up, the little chthonic fertility daemons scatter into their caves and up to their hilltops and cower as we paint crosses on their eggs and laugh at the bunnies and smell the flowers and consecrate them to The God of the Living, who brought from the dead Jesus Christ, the great Shepherd of the sheep.
This is so crazy. It's like the Jehovah's Witnesses. Somebody somewhere once used a cross shaped object as a symbol of something or other, so if I think Jesus died on a cross I'm a crypto Pagan? Somebody somewhere worshipped a fertility deity with eggs, so if I paint a cross on a colored egg my worship is corrupt?
The only way that makes sense is if God is sort of shy, retiring, and fragile and hides when he pagan gods come out. The God I worship casts horse and charioteer into the sea and turns death into life. I kinda think He can take care of himself and His worshippers.
This is what I love so much about debating you folks. You simply stand for nothing. Your statement included not one reference to Holy scripture as your standard. You only brought up opinions, innuendo and guilt by association....since you evidently believe I'm some kind of Pentecostal.
Revelation is addressing the tribulation. If you are saved by Jesus' blood, you will not be in this seven year period of terror. Those that are alive in this period will have to overcome till the end but sadly, not very many will survive.
Good works does please God and He expects them from us. On this side of the cross, we do them because of the love he showed us by coming to this earth as a man, being beaten and nailed to a cross for sins that we have committed. We do them out of love, not out of obligation.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Ah, but don't you know that a public declaration of accepting Jesus into your life results in a completely free pass for the rest of your life. You don't have to abide by the Commandments, you don't have to do anything other than what your whim directs.
The Bible says so, doncha know?
Please inform me of my wild claims....I'm not following you here. In addition....can you tell me more about "my sect?"
Are you Catholic, Diego?
Are you Orthodox, Diego?
Thought not. Consider yourself a Christian?
OK.
Then you're a protestant. As a protestant, you're a member of a sect. Any sect that makes wild claims about the validity of Catholic teachings (and yours evidently does, or you'd not be making these accusations) has invalid and poorly researched "theology."
Yes, if you're a born again, declared protty, then you're clear to do whatever you wish..."date" male hookers, cheat on your spouse, defraud donors of money intended for religious purposes...not that any protestant "ministers" did that or anything...
1Cr 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Tts 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
You know....I cannot think of one Protestant organization that would have me. I believe very little of their theology and I'm really not protesting you guys. You are the ones that left the faith once delivered [Jude 3]. My beliefs are totally in line with what the New Testament teaches. You are the Protestants!
Jude made the problem so plain. He said, "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of Our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ" [Jude 3–4]
This began happening immediately after Pentecost and Peter speaks of it [2 Peter 2;1-2], Paul speaks of it [Galatians 1:6-7], John speaks of it [2 John 10-11]....and Our Lord warned of it. [Luke 21:8]
There is not one Bible example to support the notion that truth given by God can be changed. We know clearly from the New Testament, as well as the Old, that the sacrificial system was to end with the sacrifice of Christ. The Bible explains this. Even though God changes His mind on occasion in such things as disciplining His people, or how He may administer a matter, He has never changed His truth—His true doctrine. God proclaims, "For I am the LORD, I change not." [Mal. 3:6]
Can you honestly claim that your organization has not changed the Word of God in the last 1700 years?
Can you provide me two teachings that contradict the Bible?
Can you describe in a couple of sentences how we got the right books of the new testament together (when did this happen and by who)?
I'm done...there's no way to debate the delusional focus of an anti-Catholic who refuses to accept history and logic.
RM, please warn me now for my personal attack.
He was talking to Jews under the law.
Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Rom 10:4 For Christ [is] the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
You either put your faith in your works or Jesus'.
Guys, please forgive me if I come across all sanctimonious and everything. And don't for a minute think that I am claiming any kind of moral superiority or even success in controlling myself on threads such as these.
But, with that apology and introduction, may I implore you not to descend to the level of abuse to which we have been subjected?
While it's not a view I hold, as I hope is evident, there is a persistent strand or trajectory among some Xtians that involves the solas and the sense of OSAS, and it's not on its face groundless.
Kierkegaard says that you can't fall out of Love, which is kind of a OSAS attitude, and one could be forgiven for getting that view from parts of, say, Romans 8, where we are told that nothing can separate us from the love of God.
And while certainly some people in this school SEEM to fulfill the ancient definition of:
A Christian is a man who feels
Repentance on a Sunday
For what he did on Saturday
And is gonna do on Monday,
Still my experience is that I can confess the same sin year after year after year and feel like I'm making no headway on it, but am Still confident that God is eager to work with me to unhook me from that particular set of chains. So I share their confidence that though my sins be scarlet, I can turn again and again back to a God of whose acceptance I am confident. So we're not THAT far apart, maybe.
I think the article on which this thread crystallized is ludicrous and embarrassing, but I see beauty in our separated brethren's insistence on the unmerited redeeming love of God in Christ Jesus, even if we have serious and grievous differences about a number of important issues.
So, as I say, forgive me and don't throw this in my face when I fall, as I almost certainly will, but, well, I'd like to ask you to be gentle.
Feel free to ignore me. I'll probably be my usual nasty self in a minute or two.
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