Pope Asks Young People to Maintain Virginity Even During Engagement

LifeSite News ^ | February 5, 2007 | John-Henry Westen

[Mrs. Don-o]

Well, in my younger days there were guys I had to stave off wth a stick, too. But I didn't consider seductive or insistent behavior as any indication that they respected or cherished me, and it certainly didn't incline me to respect them. I would not have married a man who didn't value a pure heart. (Not a reflection on your husband: God bless the two of you, God bless your marriage.)

[Tax-chick]

I wish I'd had that stick! (Or the wisdom of hindsight ...)

[Tax-chick]

Boone's Farm is icky, but I think it has a lower alcohol content than beer. I knew better than to touch the hard stuff.

[napscoordinator]

"In a few years, such talk will be considered hate speech."


No doubt!!! I just wonder what the real statistics are of people having sex before marriage. The problems with statistics are that people lie one way or another. I wish there was a true percentage.

[rzeznikj at stout]

...but is it O'Douls icky? 8^)

[Tax-chick]

I've never tried O'Douls - don't like beer. But I've had alcohol-free wine which was quite bad.

[rzeznikj at stout]

when i was a dumb--- frosh, we had a place between north and south campus that sold odouls in a vending machine.

since we were in an all-frosh dorm AND and alcohol-free floor, that was as close to beer as we could get. plus the fact that since it technically had a half-percent of alcohol in it--well, we kinda considered ourselves just slightly badazz...8^)

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

"In the case of dating or engaged couples, it is generally the woman who sets the sexual tone of the relationship."

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TRUE, because so many males are thinking only with their 'lower brain' and are not being the guardian God intended for them to be. Yes, a man IS to be the guardian of his betrothed's chastity until the honeymoon. (Engagements need not be years long--witness the Old Testament marriage of King David with Abigail, for example--and to be valid, need a real wedding date commitment.)

Indeed there are males (and females as well) out there who surrender their self-control to their sex drive. If the male is intent on gratification (in other words, is undisciplined in this area) then in yielding to his tempation, he surrenders the responsibility to say no until the proper time to the woman. This is a perversion of headship.

In such cases, hopefully the woman uses not just emotion but also wisdom to determine if the guy will stay around to raise any children procreated. Our single-mother epidemic would indicate that this is not the case.

[Tax-chick]

How old are you? I have my eye on a very devout Cuban boy for my daughter, but it would be good to have a backup plan!

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

I'm 49

LOL. Seven brides for seven brothers!

[Tax-chick]

A mother has to be proactive on these things!

[DarthVader]

God bless him and keep him.

[rzeznikj at stout]

["In the case of dating or engaged couples, it is generally the woman who sets the sexual tone of the relationship."

TRUE, because so many males are thinking only with their 'lower brain' and are not being the guardian God intended for them to be. Yes, a man IS to be the guardian of his betrothed's chastity until the honeymoon. (Engagements need not be years long--witness the Old Testament marriage of King David with Abigail, for example--and to be valid, need a real wedding date commitment.)

Indeed there are males (and females as well) out there who surrender their self-control to their sex drive. If the male is intent on gratification (in other words, is undisciplined in this area) then in yielding to his tempation, he surrenders the responsibility to say no until the proper time to the woman. This is a perversion of headship.

In such cases, hopefully the woman uses not just emotion but also wisdom to determine if the guy will stay around to raise any children procreated. Our single-mother epidemic would indicate that this is not the case."]

Excellent Point!

Now, if we could get guys my age to embrace this philosophy...8^)

[klossg]

it is generally the woman who sets the sexual tone of the relationship

In my experience, the reason the woman sets the tone is because the man knows the value of a woman. He will basically do just about anything in his power to keep the woman happy and content. (There are of course exceptions to this, mostly do to intelligence or lack there of and the man's upbringing). A man knows how amazing it is that someone will love him because he does not seem that special to himself. But he sees a woman as full of everything he desires and everything that means any thing. (Sorry about my inadequate ability to get my point across - there are reams and reams of poems written on this topic that say it much better than I ever could).

So, a wise man will honor and protect his woman. He will do whatever she says in order to remain with her. She completes him and he is in awe of her.

Women should be aware of this and make their men hold their side of the bargain. It is more than just sex that a man wants. Otherwise all men would walk out of all marriages after the woman hit a certain age. Men are amazed at women and will always rise to their woman's level. When women drop their standards, weak or improperly brought up men follow.

Am I wacky or on target?

[steadfastconservative]

I think you're right.

[The Spirit Of Allegiance]

A man knows how amazing it is that someone will love him because he does not seem that special to himself. But he sees a woman as full of everything he desires and everything that means any thing....

DISAGREE. A Godly man appreciates first God's love for him and it is God's valuation and esteem of that man that gives him value. He is then to go and do likewise. "We love Him, because He first loved us."

So, a wise man will honor and protect his woman.

YES

He will do whatever she says in order to remain with her.

NO. He will do what's right and she will gladly stay with him. Women are glad to maintain the status quo if they are safe, appreciated, provided for and protected as the 'weaker vessel.'

She completes him and he is in awe of her.

HEAR YE! YES! AMEN.

Women should be aware of this and make their men hold their side of the bargain. It is more than just sex that a man wants. Otherwise all men would walk out of all marriages after the woman hit a certain age. Men are amazed at women and will always rise to their woman's level. When women drop their standards, weak or improperly brought up men follow.

Knowing there are women with high standards encourages men with high standards to honor them, showing respect to ALL women. When women drop their standards, there will be no lack of wolves--hold out, Girls, for a man who will treat you right. "My mama told me, you gotta shop around."

;^)

[Brad’s Gramma]

Spot on!!!!

[.30Carbine]

Most women still crave that kind of tender protection. God made them that way.
God made men to be the defender-provider and called it headship.

Thank God Most High you know this and thank you for saying it here!

[klossg]

DISAGREE. A Godly man appreciates first God's love for him and it is God's valuation and esteem of that man that gives him value. He is then to go and do likewise. "We love Him, because He first loved us."

I agree with you partially here in your disagreement. I agree that He loved us first and asks us to do likewise. That is what a good Christian man or woman will do! Sure. And I love my enemies as much as I love my wife. I do try. I do sometimes make it so. But it is my fallen nature that makes it hard. And though I am redeemed, Christ knew well enough to leave the power to forgive sins to His Apostles. He knew we would fail.

That is why I still say that I see my wife as full of everything I desire and everything that means any thing. (I also see the not so nice parts ... but) Women love to love. That is it. They just love in order to love much more than men do so. (Maybe not all but most, at least this is what I experience in my wife, my mom, my sisters.) I learn from that and need to reinterpret Our Lord's command "to love one another as I have loved you."

And in the end ... I echo your choice of lyrics ... "My mama told me, you gotta shop around." The value of a human being, male or female is infinite. Both men and women should expect their LOVER to understand that.

[klossg]

I do dig that the "Pope Asks Young People to Maintain Virginity Even During Engagement"

And the world frowns and says "I see premarital sex in every movie, people shouldn't have to be so hard on themselves, how else can a couple know if they are sexually compatible, its unnatural, ..."

And still the "Pope Asks Young People to Maintain Virginity Even During Engagement"

I can hear Satchmo singin' "It's a wonderful world"