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Prince of darkness finds peace at church
The Standard ^ | Jan 27, 2007 | Malcolm Moore

Posted on 01/24/2007 8:42:52 PM PST by xzins

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To: xzins
Nothing but good can come from the scriptures in the hands of everyone. God's Word will not return unto Him void.

It's a little off topic, but how many people have come to a saving faith because of those Gideon Bible's in those hotels?

61 posted on 01/25/2007 8:55:45 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Andrew Byler; Dr. Eckleburg

So, you're saying the Pope is not open to divine guidance?


62 posted on 01/25/2007 8:55:57 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: wmfights

77,333,888

(pssss....I don't know :>)

But, after conversion, I faithfully carried my little Gideon NT in my breast-pocket during my first tour of duty with the Army. Amazing how often you can find time to read.


63 posted on 01/25/2007 8:59:25 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; Campion; jude24
The Reformation's intent was mass distribution. This was now possible because of the printing press.

I believe before this the RCC only had scribes write translations in Latin.

After the development of the printing press did the RCC print large numbers of the Bible in native tongues and distribute them to their congregants?

64 posted on 01/25/2007 9:01:20 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: xzins
I've got an excellent feel for Europe. Plenty of competition showing their wares throughout the continent, some places less than others.

The vast majority of Europe is either Catholic or Lutheran or Orthodox. A handful of American-style denominations/congregations started up in the past 30 years is not a "marketplace".

Africa, Asia, and S. America are the centers of great Christian expansion, and that expansion is broad rather than narrowly concentrated in one denomination.

S. America/Central America has been all-Catholic for 500 years. Its humorous to see you term the recent invasion of American Evangelicals "great Christian expansion". Your true colors shining through.

In east Asia, there is real competition in S. Korea and parts of China. Most Asian Christians are in the mostly Catholic areas of the Philippines and India, as well as in Vietnam.

Africa is bifurcated between nations where most Christians are Catholic (French, Belgian, and Portuguese colonies) and nations with your marketplace (a number of former English colonies).

65 posted on 01/25/2007 9:04:35 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: wmfights
I believe before this the RCC only had scribes write translations in Latin.

Untrue.

After the development of the printing press did the RCC print large numbers of the Bible in native tongues and distribute them to their congregants?

No, I never claimed that they did. There were only 50 years between the invention of printing and the beginning of the Reformation anyway.

66 posted on 01/25/2007 9:05:59 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: wmfights
The greatest good being the translation of Scripture into native tongues. Thus Scripture became available to all, not just an elite religious caste.

Actually, that was mostly brought about by the printing press, not by the Deformation. Without the printing press, translations (and there certainly were some) before both the Deformation and the printing press simply could not be mass produced.

67 posted on 01/25/2007 9:08:41 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: Andrew Byler

In each instance you demonstrate that a marketplace of ideas is present.

Does that mean you agree?


68 posted on 01/25/2007 9:11:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; DarkSavant; jude24; Dr. Eckleburg; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
The Reformation didn't capture N. Europe by storm because it had no substance.

Clearly, the Holy Spirit was at work!

You not only had sects that left the RCC, but other sects emerged from the shadows. The spread of Scripture throughout the world and ultimately, after the religious wars ended, the freedom to worship GOD.

69 posted on 01/25/2007 9:12:03 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Campion; xzins
.. you absolutely claim that the leaders of the church in the apostolic era were infallible under some circumstances, in fact that they were more than infallible.

I don't know too much about individual Popes. Which was the last one to raise people from the dead?

70 posted on 01/25/2007 9:18:29 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: Andrew Byler; wmfights

Actually, we've established a few things.

We've already acknowledged that God's timing was ideal. The Reformation came at the time that the printing press showed up.

Second, this article is evidence of GREAT, EVIL CORRUPTION of that period. That corruption made the Reformation not just necessary, but also Godly.


71 posted on 01/25/2007 9:18:43 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: wmfights
raise people from the dead

:>)

(hint: they'll say Peter.:>)

72 posted on 01/25/2007 9:20:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins
Nothing but good can come from the scriptures in the hands of everyone.

Why then did God wait until the 1440's to inspire the invetion of the printing press. Was it not important for this great good to occur in the thousands of years of history before then?

73 posted on 01/25/2007 9:21:45 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: wmfights
I don't know too much about individual Popes. Which was the last one to raise people from the dead?

I don't know the answer to that question, but I do know it has nothing to do with infallibility.

74 posted on 01/25/2007 9:23:28 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: xzins
I've been to Mainz Germany to see Gutenberg's press, and it is awesome that this invention, in the midst of this conflict

Guttenberg made his invention in the 1440's. Luther came along in 1517. 75+ years is a span of 3-4 generations. Not exactly simultaneous events, but then, hey, what's a little historical fact when it gets in the way of attempting to score points?

75 posted on 01/25/2007 9:24:18 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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To: xzins
(pssss....I don't know :>)

I don't know either, but I'm sure the number is BIG.

But, after conversion, I faithfully carried my little Gideon NT in my breast-pocket during my first tour of duty with the Army.

The great blessing of having Scripture available and being allowed to read it is when in doubt the answer is always there! Isn't this what the Reformation ultimately brought us?

76 posted on 01/25/2007 9:24:54 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: xzins
We've already acknowledged that God's timing was ideal. The Reformation came at the time that the printing press showed up.

Or did it come about because the printing press showed up?

Not only because the printing press made mass-produced Bibles possible, but perhaps more because it made mass-produced propaganda -- in the form of leaflets, tracts, posters, etc. -- possible.

77 posted on 01/25/2007 9:26:05 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Andrew Byler

Why did God not bring you about 2000 years ago?

Why is the return of Christ still in the future?

Answer: "This world in this way is the best way that brought about God's intentions in creation."

Class dismissed.


78 posted on 01/25/2007 9:26:45 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: Campion
There were only 50 years between the invention of printing and the beginning of the Reformation anyway.

Why would that stop the RCC from using the invention of the printing press to widely distribute Scripture to it's congregants?

79 posted on 01/25/2007 9:28:29 AM PST by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: xzins
this article is evidence of GREAT, EVIL CORRUPTION of that period

The article is a pack of lies.

80 posted on 01/25/2007 9:30:02 AM PST by Andrew Byler
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