Posted on 01/24/2007 8:41:04 AM PST by Joseph DeMaistre
We may be young, but we try harder. ;-)
"What you posted does not make enough sense to respond to."
It just proves the point.
For 1500 years (Jhn 1:5) "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
If you're going to respond to one of my posts, at least show some common courtesy and PING me.
Are you inferring that God is a hypocrite?
Of course not. You are the one that quoted Isaiah and his admonishment to reason together. I think maybe you should read that again and think about applying it to your own posts.
That should tell a person something.
Sorry. Dueteronomy 13.
Another laughable response. Why would He wait? According to Protestants the Church had been "failing" since the beginning. So, why would God allow His children to suffer for that long?
And to further add to the irony, movable type was developed in China (by a non-Christian) between 1041 and 1048, but it wasn't developed by Gutenberg until 1447. So, please explain why God would first "inspire" a non-Christian a thousand years after the Age of the Apostles and then wait ANOTHER FOUR CENTURIES to "inspire" a Catholic? Couldn't God have simply waited another eighty years and "inspired" a Lutheran and not a Catholic?
I didn't state that correctly. The Church decided what writings should be in Sacred Scripture. She had the authority to do so, given by Jesus and guided by the Holy Spirit.
Of course, in a certain sense, the Church is God, in that she is the Body of Christ.
As to the number of folks killed... I'd have to disagree. Over the centuries no institution of man has been responsible for more martyrdoms than the RCC. Doubt me? Read Fox's Book of Martyrs.
But back to my main point. Since you acknowledge the institutional barbarism of the RCC, how is it possible that it is "holy", or have any claim of "oneness", let alone "infallibility" and "equal authority" with Scripture? Its long history of human sinfulness belies its claims. And, by holding such claims, the leaders of the RCC arrogantly mock God.
Where are you getting fifteen hundred years from? Are you adding it to Scripture like Luther did with the word "alone"?
Sorry. I usually don't make that mistake. I was responding to Marlowe, but I should have pinged you, too, since I used a quote of yours found in his post.
Consider yourself pinged.
(At least it's not 400 years later.)
I'd dare say that once the scriptures had been translated into the vernacular of the people, there was finally a use for the printing press, so God ordained that it should be invented.
Prior to Wycliffe and Tyndale, it was a crime to translate the scriptures into the vernacular of the laity. The church allegedly held the keys, but they had all the doors locked.
It was Wycliffe and Tyndale and Luther who unlocked those doors. If anyone could have been said to posess the keys to the kingdom it was Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther and Gutenberg. They put those keys to good use and the Reformation was born.
What I wrote isn't exactly what was intended.
So you say the Word preceded the Church. So then, how was it decided exactly what the Word was, i.e., who had the authority to declare what writings were to be included in Sacred Scripture?
Well that explains a lot.
Gee! Let's all gather 'round the campfire, clasp hands, sing Kumbaya, and visualize whirled peas!
Just because my views differ from yours (and others) doesn't mean that I am not reasonable. It just means that I disagree. Consensus is often the refuge of cowards. It takes courage to seek the truth, and stand firm in it.
By that logic, none of the Apostles saw Jesus ascend into heaven. We only have Luke applying hearsay dozens of years after the fact.
Oh I see. So Isaiah only applies to Catholics. I'm not suprised to see that you believe other Christians should obey the Scriptures but not yourself.
There you have it!
The RCC is its own god! The rationalization of all its works.
Thank you for being directly honest about your church's true nature!
I forgive you. Carry on. :-)
Jesus did. He said that others would be saved through believing the message about Him spread by the Apostles.
The issue wasn't deciding what the Scripture was. The issue was simply verifying which writings went back to the Apostles.
Once identified those words of the Apostles were greater than our own. The church is subordinate to the apostles and not vice versa.
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