Posted on 01/16/2007 6:40:38 AM PST by Alex Murphy
Rick has shown that he lacks discernment ... a vital gift for a pastor, especially such a high profile pastor. He speaks of salt but behaves like brackish water.
Extremely disturbing news, Alex.
Sorry to have to read it.
Clearly, God alone will be able to set him straight, if at all.
I haven't heard back from my source(s) on this issue. I suspect this will settle it.
I made very clear that the CFR is very adept at monitoring and seeking out the leaders in any and every field and then inviting them into the intellectual elite bear hug of influence, pride, movers and shakers etc. . . . of course, with no little amount of demonic deception going on as well.
I do not wish to judge RW's heart--I still am convinced he seeks to do good things. Alas, CFR is NOT an avenue for such. Is not going to be an avenue for such.
Any temporary good CFR does is only for deception and to set the trap more fully and more evily for all mankind.
Thankfully, God is not trapable and has bigger traps for them.
At some point it is impossible to play with such folks without becoming tarred with their evil. I think with CFR, that has to be sooner than later.
I still differe with you on PDL and the rest of RW's ministries. But on this point, I sadly agree that there is no room for applauding such an association.
I suppose it is 0.000000001% conceivable that God could still be leading him on some double agent mission but I seriously doubt it. I think he may already be in over his head and not realize at all the dangerous waters he's swimming in nor the size of the sharks.
I hope people close to him give him an intense crash course in everything related to CFR.
One of the sources in the church I have been dialoguing with insisted that the CFR was full of decent folks etc.
I had somewhat brashly asserted that the leaders were likely satan worshippers. I still ended up saying that I doubted that none of them were because it was certain that the leaders of the puppet masters are given that they are working hard to set up satan as world leader.
And, given that the CFR leaders are working hard and have been working hard for decades, I think it's inconceivable that NONE of it's elite leaders have never worshipped satan in any ceremony.
Anyway--my friend may have decided I was a conspiracy kook, for all I know. But the truth is the truth and I've studied this stuff since 1965. It's deadly. Has always been deadly. Will become more deadly. Were I able, I'd stay a thousand galactic clusters from it.
I know that in these end times, God will be directing unusual agents to do incredible things in the enemy's camp. However, I am extremely skeptical that any of it will be anything like double agent cloak and dagger sorts of things. I think it will be angel and Spirit supported, protected, defended, transported men and maybe women and children who will be confronting evil rulers with edicts of The Lord God Almighty with devastating signs following if the evil rulers do not comply.
Bottom line, I agree. This is dreadful.
ALL OF US must watch our associations routinely as Christians but in these end times, we must be ever more alert, watchful and led of God in greater and greater detail. imho, that will mean loving like Jesus loved but also speaking truth in Love like Jesus did . . . more cat of nine tails at public meetings sorts of resposnes--though likely with words and Holy Spirit's forceful power following . . . and other powerful interactions with evil in all settings.
There will, no doubt, be many agents of The Lord who are infiltrated into many levels of the enemy's camp to rise up and declare, take action or whatever in due course. But I don't see that sort of thing as the major ways of God moving in these end times. I think most of it will be brazenly in the enemy's face with God's power including the sacrificial power of His Love before a watching and hurting world.
But it will also be the awesome power of God Almighty strong to defend and strong to take territory back from the enemy. This is the time when the King of Kings and Lord of Lords takes claim to the title deed property of all Creation and particularly to the to be seat of His government on this odd little planet.
This is decreasingly a time for tea and crumpets with middle of the roaders and wolves in sheep's clothing.
Thanks for the sobering post Alex.
Excellent points.
Happily, I find that someone has already posted it on FR. If you have the time and temperance to read through it, I highly recommend checking it out.
Thanks. I read it long ago. About Jr High, I think.
May give it a look again. Thanks for the link.
Like treason.
...but even prior to the CFR debacle, Warren's less than proper/biblical associations have been one of the bone of contentions with many.
Have a good afternoon.
Warren in the CFR makes a lot of sense. Hence the watered down theology and green emphasis.
You are welcome.
I don't mind standing for truth, no matter how uncomfortable.
It sounds like Rick Warren has succeeded in making this blow over with Farah. Too bad. It's extremely concerning to me that Rick hasn't acknowledged LYING yet. Not just the idea that he's belittled the suffering of Christians in Syria.
I tend to agree with Tommydale here... he's just adding "in terms of treatment of Christians" -- using the idea of relative 'moderation' to cover his goof up. Was it indeed a 'goof' or deliberate? Or did he really mean what he said? You shouldn't have to parse what a preacher of the Word says. It should be (with rare exceptions) crystal clear. Rick Warren is at best a sloppy communicator, at worst, a false teacher, and in my opinion, he's quite a lot of both.
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