Posted on 01/15/2007 8:19:17 PM PST by kawaii
Does your church structure have deacons?
I don't know of anyone who's suggested that a bishop needs to be married basedon this text...
Yes. Ordaining women is controversial. So much so that while I do not disagree with women deacons, in my church structure - since deacon means "servant" then I would advise them to serve without the title. They wouldn't be able to do everything, but much of the deacon position you can fulfill without the title.
No. But if he is going to take it so strongly that this is the definitive word on what bishops should be, unmarried men and widowers are out too.
What role did Priscila have?
Thanks for the ping.
Not my priority.
Not a central issue to The Kingdom as far as I'm concerned.
Then why would Paul have included it in scripture?
Not a central issue to The Kingdom as far as I'm concerned.
Not a priority in my spiritual walk.
Not a priority to discuss.
Not a burning issue.
Not of great concern.
Not remotely central to my faith--IOW--tangential, peripheral, fring, distant issue.
And . . . Holy Spirit has used many women and some prophetesses in my life to powerful effect.
Perhaps "why's" would be best addressed to Him since it appears He did not get the Roman memo to stop using women.
Not in the context of prayer in the church. Besides, women never walked around bareheaded in those days.
A deacon in the church is the first rank of the ordained ministry, but is not a priest. Women deaocns in the early Church had no functions comparable to male deacons who serve with priests the Divine Liturgy. The Scripture is clear that women should not speak in the church.
So can I ask you just to confirm are you saying that scripture is not a centra issue with regard to getting to the kingdom?
That said I haven't heard women deacons ruled out per se in Orthodoxy.
And I would definitly say women have a major role in the church, simply not as priests or bishops. (save the liberal boston women who came out AGAINST the decision some of their own husbands made regarding the ROCOR MP reunion)
Article doesn't mention the interesting fact that these "mainline" (i.e. liberal) churches are losing membership just as fast as they are ordaining more women. Coincidence? I doubt it.
Then your experience has been limited. They're out there, including someone who insisted that it means a bishop (or deacon, vis. the parallel text) should leave his position immediately if he is widowed.
In those days, in this case, is an appropriate distinction. There are many things which go into the context of what Paul is saying. I do not believe it is as clear-cut as you are saying. If there were not women prophetesses, I think it would be clearer. But Paul is not primarily speaking about prayer in that chapter. Rather, he is speaking about orderliness in church. And, things said to the church at Corinth must be considered in light of that church's state. Still, he reiterated it to Timothy (probably writing from Corinth at the time), so we must consider it. Contextually though, I think you need to look at what was normative in that day for women in a worship service and what would be considered disruptive.
So can I ask you just to confirm are you saying that scripture is not a centra issue with regard to getting to the kingdom?
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NO! I'M !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYING ANY SUCH THING NOR ANYTHING EVEN IN THE BALL PARK OF THAT.
I resent the whole idea of putting any such hideous nonsense any where close to my fingers or mind.
People CAN ASK if God can make a rock big enough He can't move it.
I see no fruitfulness in responding further on this issue. It's conceivable but I'm skeptical I'll see sufficient fruitfulness probability to do so.
I don't think I have anything to offer a lot of different minds and perspectives. I'm just inadequate for the job in lots of cases.
INDEED.
But, be careful, making too much logical, Biblical sense . . . seems to have little effect in impacting a lot of different perspectives. This may well be one. No need to fruitlessly tire one's fingers. LOL.
Ya know . . . If God can use donkey's to speak His truth . . .
If God can raise up rocks as children of Abraham . . .
If God can pour so much of His miracle working, affirming, confirming power through someone like Kathryn Kuhlman . . .
I submit that the evidence is
God is big enough to use . . . drum roll . . .
women!
Oh, dear, now I've said the ugly thing. Let me get my Hazmat suit.
There are some.
And, I don't think jumping off the rails in other cases necessarily had anything to do with ordaining women.
Kathryn Kuhlman used to say that a man was supposed to fill her role but God couldn't find a man to do it and had to use her.
I can believe that.
The bottom line is . . . if Holy Spirit decides to use a woman
It is shere IDIOCY, AFFRONTERY AND REBELLION to avoid affirming whatever HOLY SPIRIT is doing through whomever.
In other words . . .
rank has it's privileges.
Holy Spirit WROTE THE BOOK.
He ought to know better what the boundaries are than we do!
LOL.
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