Posted on 01/12/2007 6:53:12 PM PST by JockoManning
When Iraq was first invaded, or at least when they were talking about it, my thought was that it was the wrong timing. Pat Robertson said he talked to President Bush and told him it would be a disaster if he went in. This post is really interesting. I had never thought of it from his perspective. Wow.
READING IN DAYLIGHT AND AWAKE . . .
I think Rosenberg is quite accurate.
Thanks. That IS illuminating and gives one an idea of their thinking. Interesting...
A dear saint, who's discernment I can easily at times respect more highly than my own--asserts that this post is nonsense.
Have reread it.
I still believe the guy has hit some nails accurately on the head.
1. I have long thought that culturally we needed to be wiser about how and what we did there.
2. I don't think he's 100% accurate about democracy being incompatible. The purple fingers and risks voting demonstrate that.
3. I do think there's an inherent incompatibility between Islam and democracy. And folks who are going to believe, feel that they Jihadi's are the more spiritual Islamics will tend to be more sympathetic to tyrannical arbitrary rule in the name of some element of Islam or another.
4. In terms of going into Iraq . . . I was sobered before we went in by prophetic voices who warned that it would not turn out as we expected or needed.
5. However, it felt like a deadly catch-22. That somehow, God expected us to go in while warning us about the disasters involved in doing so. Saddam did have WMD's. He was training Al Qaeda and harboring them and funding death and mayhem far and wide. He was a danger to us. He likely had involvement with 9-11 at least tangentially. I'm skeptical that we should not have gone in, at all.
6. I do not think and have never thought that Iraq was a very viable country. It needs broken up into the 3 tribal groups with some way to insure equitable oil revenue sharing.
7. Some assert convincingly that Iraq and rebuilt Babylon will be the seat of the World Government. More than a little plausible to me. We shall see. If so, then the globalists have certainly, as we have seen asserted from 1947 and Wherner von Braun--the globalists have scheduled the war in Iraq and evidently the setting up of their government there. Everyone else is puppetmasters, perhaps under threat of death if they don't comply with such a script.
8. I think that's another reason we need to pray for our more honorable leaders such as our beloved President. I doubt we can imagine the pressures from hell he has to operate under. Someone suggested some time ago that we pray that he has visitations from/visions of the real authentic JESUS CHRIST.
9. There have been persistent reports that Maitreyia has been materializing in the inner sanctums of leaders around the world giving them orders. NO THANKS!
10. We know that wars and rumors of war are our destiny in this end times era. We know that Israel will be slated to be wiped off the map at least a time or two with Russia and her allies taking it severely in the head, neck, groin and elsewhere on the battlefield. Persia/Iran seems to be clearly scheduled for the same thing in the same effort. Is that what's building for this year? I hope not but it's plausible.
11. I do believe that the demonic strong holds over the region are much more of a deciding factor than the armies involved. And, that prayer of righteous people exercising their giftings and prayers in spiritual warfare are the only ways of dealing with such.
12. I do believe that all Christians must consider themselves more and first part of God's Kingdom vs even as Americans. Nevertheless, I believe God raised up America and that He is not near done with her yet and Never will be as long as there is any significant portion of true believers invovled in America and concerned for her.
13. Yet, we seem hell-bent for some level of discipline for allowing our nation's evils to multiply as they have the last 50 years. The last election seems like a serious level of sinfull cluelessness, to me. And I believe God will be addressing that somehow. I think the DIMRATS will be helpless to do else but be revealed as clueless evil idiots. But there may be more than enough clueless evil idiots to go around by the time we count in the RINOS.
14. I think the Dr authoring this post has some accurate points. I think his biases and politics may well have colored his discernment somewhat. We shall see.
15. I do believe this is true: "the church is to have the cultural imprint of heaven--a testimony to and a witness against the world system."
16. In terms of Christ's millenial reign . . . I don't think I could assert that there'd be absolutely no democracy in it. It IS PLAUSIBLE THAT THERE WOULD BE NONE. But I personally couldn't flat footedly assert that. Who knows how Christ will set it up. With the knowledge of The Lord flooding the world . . . it's plausible that there would always be only one way of doing, choosing such things. HIS WAY in all details. But I could imagine all manner of layers and levels of stuff. What if Christ didn't care if a community chose red or blue for their flag color, wouldn't a vote be fitting?
17. He made us as choosing personalities, not robots. Being our LIVING KING IN OVERT PERSONAL PRESENCE will not remove all facility to choose. I doubt it will turn us into cloned robots in all respects. Merely that we will do the right thing from our hearts automatically.
18. If we are going to attack Iran . . . prayer of the most earnest sort is crucial.
19. Regardless of whether we attack Iran, or not . . . dreadful times are ahead. If not this month, this quarter, this half year, this year, then the next or a few or half dozen after that. Being ready in spirit is the most important. Stocking up on essentials, staples and doing such other things as possible and led of God is crucial.
20. Let us work for The Kingdom while there's a shred of daylight left. The night IS coming.
That sobered me at the time, too. Though I still thought it was set up such that we had to go in.
And, there was the business of Wehrner von Braun sp? asserting that the puppet masters had scheduled the war on terror and against Iraq way back in 1974 or earlier.
I think you have presented a good case. Are there mistakes? Who is in control God or President Bush?
It's quite sobering but I think it's wise to look at things with principalities in the heavenlies factored in.
God is certainly bigger than our mistakes.
My prayers continue for George W. Bush, for this country, for Israel, and for this world and all people everywhere.
jm
Qx said, "9. There have been persistent reports that Maitreyia has been materializing in the inner sanctums of leaders around the world giving them orders. NO THANKS!"
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Are you saying the guy literally materializes out of thin air? or just that he is well enough connected that he can make an appt. w/ this power broker or that and get a lunch date?
Thanks for clarifying.
jm
YES! Materializing out of thin air in the inner offices of top world leaders . . . according to persistent claims.
BTW, the Red or blue flag analogy had NOTHING to do with red state/blue state stuff.
I could have said--whether a city chose chocolate or vanilla ice cream as it's CITY ICE CREAM.
Your post #24 overall is excellent. Good wisdom there. I agree that no matter HOW the particulars play out, we Christians need to
* Labor while it is still day, by testifying to unbelievers of our faith in Jesus and His saving power, by supporting our local church and our pastors, by loving our neighbors, by serving our parents, spouses, siblings, children, and friends in whatever ways we can to build them up and shine the Light of Christ into their lives.
* Live squeaky clean lives that reflect the goodness and purity of Jesus Christ
* Pray, learn to pray, study to become a more effective pray-er.
* Pray for those in authority
* Study our Bibles
* Practice being faithful in small things to be ready to act faithfully in the big things later.
* Learn to recognize the voice of the Lord and to heed it
* Seek God's presence and His guidance in our personal lives
* Yield to the dealings of the Lord as He burns off the chaff in our lives in order to be better prepared to stay true to Jesus if / when difficult times begin
* Practice walking by faith NOW so it's a way of life when the going gets tough.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
THX.
http://bibleprobe.com/islamapostates.htm
Thanks to lowbridge for posting thread pointing to above website.
"Testimonials from Ex-Muslims: Ex-Muslims tell why they left Islam (website)"
Also
* Guard against cold-heartedness.
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