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On Priests, Marriage and the Sacraments
National Catholic Register ^ | December 9, 2006 | Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 12/15/2006 12:55:54 PM PST by NYer

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Dwight Longenecker
1 posted on 12/15/2006 12:55:57 PM PST by NYer
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From the Curt Jester


The Path to Rome

Dwight Longenecker, who is being ordained a priest today, tells a lovely story of a Catholic woman he never talked theology with - nevertheless set him on the path to Rome.

2 posted on 12/15/2006 12:57:52 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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These married former ANGLICANS better not try to change their new Church. Who the heck is going to pay for his wife's hairdos...clothes...vacations.....food....purses....DIVORCE??? ANd who's going to pay foor the kids college....cars....steroe....CD's...Nintendo....weddings...TATTOOS?? geesh.


3 posted on 12/15/2006 1:03:28 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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As priests, the married men must follow Church teaching and set an example to their flock in all matters. This means they would not use artificial contraception..

Is the Church ready to deal with the question of clergy marital breakdown and divorce?

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I'm a bit confused here, or maybe he is.

4 posted on 12/15/2006 1:36:15 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Do Latin Rite Parishes within the RCC ever accept the married Eastern Rite clergy into their ranks at all?


5 posted on 12/15/2006 1:38:32 PM PST by kawaii
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To: NYer

great story in your link, thanks for posting. June preached like Saint Francis, God bless her soul.


6 posted on 12/15/2006 1:39:55 PM PST by Nihil Obstat (viva il papa)
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Surpringly (or perhaps not so) that is far less of an issue that some would like to make it seem.

I'm Orthodox have been to several Parishes, and encountered many married priests. I've never heard of one being divorced, nor have I seen anyone wonder whether the tiny pay the priests receive goes to pay for material wealth for his wife or family.


7 posted on 12/15/2006 1:41:28 PM PST by kawaii
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To: NYer

Church by doctrine, well met.


8 posted on 12/15/2006 1:45:02 PM PST by onedoug
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To: kawaii

If you mean grant "Bi-Ritual Faculties" It can safely be assumed the answer is yes, however, you are more likely to see bi-ritual faculties granted a Latin Rite Priest because of numbers.

It is in fact a not an uncommon practice.

The most prominent Bi-Ritual Priest is Fr. Mitch Pacwa, though he may have been ordained with Latin Rite Faculties and had them extended to the Maronite Rite.

As a reminder however, many Eastern Rite Parishes have not adopted the custom of Daily Liturgy so many married Eastern Rite Priests have the ability to hold down secular jobs if they choose.....at least in this part of the world.


9 posted on 12/15/2006 2:00:43 PM PST by Cheverus
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Interesting.


10 posted on 12/15/2006 2:05:54 PM PST by kawaii
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Do Latin Rite Parishes within the RCC ever accept the married Eastern Rite clergy into their ranks at all?

>>No.


11 posted on 12/15/2006 3:20:47 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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oh bother now i have 2 cnflicting answers


12 posted on 12/15/2006 4:11:58 PM PST by kawaii
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if the man is young and he and his wife are fertile, the diocese and the local church must be willing to support not just a neat suburban family with two or three children, but a large Catholic family. Can the Church support such large families?

All ya gotta do is tithe. 10 families (a "minyan" if you will) giving 10% each, makes 1 average family income, sufficient to support a comparably fertile family at a comparable standard of living. Anything beyond 10 is just icing on the cake.

Beside, the demographic demise of the West is such that SOMEBODY's gotta breed.... maybe we can't afford celibacy any more? Priests having 12 kids each might be the best thing that could happen.

13 posted on 12/15/2006 4:46:54 PM PST by Rytwyng (Only a Million Minuteman March can stop the Bush Border Betrayal!)
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Do Latin Rite Parishes within the RCC ever accept the married Eastern Rite clergy into their ranks at all?

I'm not sure I understand your question.

* Latin Rite parishes accept married Anglican converts into their seminaries but uphold the rule of celibacy in that should the spouse predecease the priest, he may not marry again.

* Latin Rite parishes also accept widowers with grown children with the same rule of celibacy.

Amongst the Eastern Catholic Churches, the general rule has been that priests assigned to 'their' parishes in the US are celibate. This, I understand, has changed with certain Churches like the Ukrainian and Byzantine.

The Maronite Catholic Church allows for married priests but does NOT send them to the diaspora. As the Patriarch has explained on many occasions, married priest resolve one problem but create another. There is much less flexibility in assigning them because each move entails relocating their family as well. In the US, ALL of the Maronite priests chose the celibate priesthood.

Now, my Maronite pastor is also bi-ritual and assists the RC Diocese by saying the Latin Mass at priestless parishes or at a local hospital. However, he falls under the Maronite Eparchy and is free of any entanglements with the local RC diocese.

I have never heard of an Eastern Catholic priest being assigned to a Latin Rite parish, have you?

14 posted on 12/15/2006 5:26:18 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: Nihil Obstat
June preached like Saint Francis, God bless her soul.

Yes, it was a good reminder for me not to preach but allow Christ's light to shine through me to others. Only recently, a coworkers comment let me know just how effective this can be. None of my coworkers practice their faith so they remain in my prayers.

15 posted on 12/15/2006 5:33:18 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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As a reminder however, many Eastern Rite Parishes have not adopted the custom of Daily Liturgy so many married Eastern Rite Priests have the ability to hold down secular jobs if they choose.....at least in this part of the world.

I should have scrolled down before posting my response to kawaii. Sorry for not including both of you.

See post #14

16 posted on 12/15/2006 5:39:35 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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To: Suzy Quzy

In the Anglican Church the wife usually works and pays her own way.


17 posted on 12/15/2006 5:54:40 PM PST by x_plus_one (Franklin Graham: "Allah is not the God of Moses. Allah had no son")
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To: kawaii

In North America, married men are not permitted to be ordained in the Eastern-rite eparchies, although the Canadian Ukrainian Catholics tend to ignore that rule.

Receiving bi-ritual faculties is up to the individual bishops, but married Eastern-rite clergy wouldn't be incardinated into Latin dioceses.


18 posted on 12/15/2006 6:01:03 PM PST by Joseph DeMaistre (There's no such thing as relativism, only dogmatism of a different color)
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My question is like if a Ukrainian Catholic priest applies to be the priest at a Latin Rite church will they take him.


19 posted on 12/15/2006 6:05:41 PM PST by kawaii
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What does she do with her kids...day care?


20 posted on 12/15/2006 7:32:31 PM PST by Suzy Quzy
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