Posted on 12/12/2006 10:51:32 PM PST by Coleus
Baptism is a testimony. Go get Baptized in Saudi Arabia and the significance of the testimony is a lot more clear.
That is just unscriptural.
The definition was very nice to know what he was saying. Salvation by faith is all over the bible.
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
A man be born again, and you say that is physical birth? You mean as an infant? That doesn't make sense. The "again" means that the person is already born.
The passage was quite specific. Water and the Holy Spirit.
When I was an athiest I asked a Christian what I had to do to go to Heaven. He said believe in Jesus. I believed. How did I know that was true?
We've alreadly covered that quite a few times.
Yes physical then spiritual.
As a side note, that's funny coming from someone with your tag line.
Yeah, I know "Rosary" isn't in Scripture. ;-) But I never claimed to use Scripture only.
Which of course is why Christ himself was baptised in the river Jordan...
indeed his interpretation is nonsensical at best.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Getting baptized 'in water' is not being born of the flesh...Our bodies are 90% water...Isn't that what they say??? You can't get around it...
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Nicodemus had no problem understanding the first birth was the natural, human birth...It wasn't baptism (in water)...
So you think Jesus was baptized for salvation?
Amen!
Regarding the Rosary and Scripture:
The key elements of the Hail Mary are certainly in scripture as is the Our Father.
No I think he was baptised to show us the meaning of baptism by water and the Holy Spirit.
Christ was baptised in a river of water, and the Holy Spirit in the form of a Dove came down upon him.
Just as folks are baptised by water, and Chrismated by the Holy Spirit today.
Now there you go, again...It's not a matter of agreeing on it...It's a matter of believing it...If you don't believe it, you make it say what you want it to say...
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life: and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
Do you agree with that, or disagree with that??? I don't do either...I just believe it...I have the Son of God so I have life...And that's eternal life...
One of your church Father's major feat (Origen) was to convince your early church to NOT believe the bible...To not take much of it literally...
So how could you expect someone to expound or teach a bible or any piece of literature when the first things he does is not believe it??? And yet, you follow Origen right into the ditch...
Mat 3:5 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,
Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Mat 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Mat 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan [is] in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Mat 3:13 ¶ Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.
Mat 3:14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
Mat 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer [it to be so] now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Mar 1:9 ¶ And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
Mar 1:10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Mar 1:11 And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
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