Three Reasons the Church’s Enemies Hate The Immaculate Conception

TFP ^ | 12.08.06 | Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira

[trisham]

But they're not nearly as fun!

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LOL! Tell that to the Mods. :)

[wagglebee]

I stand corrected. However, there is no credible scholarship that suggests that Matthew, Luke, John, the non-Pauline epistles or Revelation were written prior to Paul's death.

[trisham]

Jesus HAD to be born in Bethlehem BECAUSE God said he WOULD be born in Bethlehem.

What is the test of a false prophet?

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I'm sorry, but what is your point?

[trisham]

Therefore, it perfectly relates to this article.

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What relates perfectly to this article?

[kawaii]

His point seems to be about predestinations and God making people sin.

[xzins]

One other really interesting archeological note is the fragment known as 7Q5 discovered by one of your own Catholic priests.

This is fragment 5 and appears to be a part of Mark 6:52, 53. The first person to identify this fragment with that passage was a Jesuit scholar at the University of Barcelona, Father Jose O'Callaghan. Father O'Callaghan was a well respected scholar of Greek papyrus documents, and the story of his identification of 7Q5 is remarkable.

O'Callaghan one day in 1971 was routinely reading books about the Dead Sea Scrolls discovered about 1947-48. He noticed one set of unidentified papyrus documents with Greek letters and, among them, was 7Q5. He saw that the combination with double letter 'NNES' on the next to the last line seemed the sort of combination which could be identified. What Greek words have a double N followed by ES? It had been suggested by earlier scholars that the word originally had been EGENNESEN, which means to beget. However, O'Callaghan could find no known Greek texts (or translations of Hebrew texts into Greek) with the word EGENNESEN and other words surrounding it which would fit into the context of fragment 5 from Cave 7.

....snip....What does this mean? The meaning depends on the dating. However, as previously noted, long before anyone suspected the fragment was part of the New Testament, scholars who date documents from the form of the letters, the type of writing materials used, and similar things, had estimated that the latest this document was written was within 20 years after the death of Christ Jesus! Because of margins on some of the manuscripts, these seem to be only copies, too, not the originals. Therefore, they were already being circulated in duplicate form, at such an early date!

see the link at http://members.aol.com/Judiciary/O.Callaghan.html

[trisham]

His point seems to be about predestinations and God making people sin.

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Well, yes. It's certainly has something to do with that.

[nanetteclaret]

What if .....

you found out that Calvin's ideas were wrong? Could you admit it? What would you do? Have you thought of that possibility?

[xzins]

What if you found out that I am not a "lover of evil"....would you be able to admit it and disagree with this author?

[kawaii]

i'm still trying to get Calvinists to suggest Calvin was right with regard to perpetual virginity of Mary.

[nanetteclaret]

You answer my question first, then I'll answer yours.

[nanetteclaret]

I know he believed that - as did Martin Luther. Maybe you should dig up his writing and post the pertinent excerpt.

[trisham]

i'm still trying to get Calvinists to suggest Calvin was right with regard to perpetual virginity of Mary.

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If that's the case, I predict this thread will be well over 1,000 posts.

[SaltyJoe]

What is the test of a false prophet?

I recall an Old Testament passage, can't remember which, that clearly states how false prophets ask for or demand that "God demands x," and x is money, human sacrifice, sexual favors, and other things that the spirit of the world lusts for. The One, True God has no need for human sacrifice, definitely no need for money, and a big fat zero for sexual favors. What God wants is Purity of the Spirit--like Mercy, Forgiveness, Unconditional Love, Faith, Obedience, Charity, Praise, Adoration and Respect of the Saints, praying for the souls in Purgatory, intercessions/admonishment for the sinners, etc.

[xzins]

If I find that anyone is wrong, I'm willing to admit it. That includes Calvin.

[Coleus]

"They're all out to get us! So we must be right!" :->
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we must be, I feel sorry for them standing on the outside looking in, it's a shame. If they had their dogma and acts together there would be only one Protestant Church. You'd be surprised at how many actually "HATE" us. Some are so obsessed that's all they talk about you. And in the south, they smile at you while stabbing you in the back. So much for Christian brotherhood.

[xzins]

You don't understand protestantism.

We don't venerate our famous Christians, we study them. They're humans.

All humans have a sin nature and the bible says "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." That includes Calvin, Luther, Pope JPII, Jerome, Wesley, Graham, Augustine, John, Peter, and Paul.

[bonfire]

We don't pray to them either.

[trisham]

You don't understand protestantism.

We don't venerate our famous Christians, we study them. They're humans.

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Perhaps a definition is in order. Verneration is not worship.

venerate

One entry found for venerate.

Main Entry: ven·er·ate

Pronunciation: 've-n&-"rAt

Function: transitive verb

Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing

Etymology: Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm -- more at WIN

1 : to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference

2 : to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion

synonym see REVERE

- ven·er·a·tor /-"rA-t&r/ noun

[xzins]

revere 4 entries found for revere. To select an entry, click on it. revere[1,transitive verb]revere[2,noun]RevereRevere[1] Main Entry: 1re·vere Pronunciation: ri-'vir Function: transitive verb Inflected Form(s): re·vered; re·ver·ing Etymology: Latin revereri, from re- + vereri to fear, respect -- more at WARY : to show devoted deferential honor to : regard as worthy of great honor synonyms REVERE, REVERENCE, VENERATE, WORSHIP, ADORE mean to honor and admire profoundly and respectfully. REVERE stresses deference and tenderness of feeling . REVERENCE presupposes an intrinsic merit and inviolability in the one honored and a similar depth of feeling in the one honoring . VENERATE implies a holding as holy or sacrosanct because of character, association, or age . WORSHIP implies homage usually expressed in words or ceremony . ADORE implies love and stresses the notion of an individual and personal attachment .