Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
And God alone sends Him, not Peter: John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
= = =
INDEED! INDEED! INDEED!
IN OTHER WORDS . . . .
based on
THEIR ACTIONS SPEAKING LOUDER THAN THEIR WORDS . . .
Their priority list seems to be:
1. MARY UPPERMOST
2. Then the RC edifice--especially favored parts of it
3. Then God, Son, Spirit.
Mary, being the mother of God, is number 1. Mary being the mother, is also the Holy Spirit, number 2, and the Church is number 3. Jesus is somewhere in there, a baby in a manger maybe.
That would be consistent with a lot of actions.
Thx.
"However the numbering of chapters and verses in our modern publications are probably arbitrary. It is easy to read into the theology one's own impressions and meanings, which is only human. However, one reason to compare scripture with scripture is to eliminate human error."
I agree that it can be arbitrary but it happened so many times - where the meaning of the number of the verse coincides with the meaning of that particular verse. I questioned the numbering of scripture, chapters, etc. and went to Wikipedia. I'm sure there is a better source but they were a quick reference.
"In the New Testament, the verse divisions were first
added by Robert Estienne in his 1551 edition of the
Greek New testament. In 1557, the first English New
Testament with verse divisions were used in a
translation by William Whittingham (c. 1524-1579). These
divisions have been used by nearly all English Bibles
since then. Unlike the Hebrew of the Old Testament, the
structure of the Greek language makes it highly
susceptible to being broken up syntactically into
inappropriate and even sense-contrary divisions. Inexact
apportionment of Greek into verses therefore could
easily have obscured the intent, relation, emphasis and
force of the words themselves, and thus elicited the
most strenuous objections of theologians. The retention
of Robert Estienne's verse divisions essentially without
alteration is a tribute not only to the inherent utility
of his contribution to Bible study, but also to his
excellent knowledge of the scriptures and grasp of the
fine points of the ancient Greek language. The first
Bible in English to use both chapters and verses was the
Geneva Bible in 1560, coming soon after Estienne's
introduction of New Testament verse numbers, and quickly
rising to acceptance as a standard way to notate them."
So, the verses were placed in that order long ago and the King James is still in that order. (Another coincidence - the original King James was the 7th Bible, #7 meaning spiritual perfection)
The gematria of names is important too. The name Jesus makes the numbers 888. The #8 denotes resurrection, regeneration, a new beginning or commencement.
You could be right in that I'm reading my own theories into this but it just seems past the odds of coincidence.
Of course, I also believe in the Bible Code so this was just a small step for me. It feels like one of God's little miracles for us, a sign to strengthen faith. But, as you say, comparing scripture to scripture, is the most important process.
"Whatsoever is not of faith is sin." -- Romans 14:23
Thanks for your reply. Very well thought out and presented. Some questions:
Isn't all good conscience, the ability to know good, from God?
Doesn't anyone who chooses to do good based on love glorify God?
Are these limited completely to saved Christians?
FK, if everything is developing along God's plan, if God's will cannot be resisted, there is no reason for God's anger, and you know that.
It's an unwarranted pardon, an act of underserved mercy and not something we carry. It i not a "gift" like a book or a piece of jewlery.
I will always use the phrase "free gift" because it clearly relays what's happening
There is nothing 'happening' there. It's clemency which you can't earn, buy or deserve. Mercy pure and simple.
But, you can do whatever you wish; some people persistantly say '10 AM in the morning..."
True, but as we've seen with our only impeached President, pardons are not always "free." They can be bought.
Mercy is a free pardon; we have been acquitted by God's grace alone through Jesus Christ taking on the punishment rightly due us and paying for our sins in full.
Free of charge. No payment required. Only gratitude, after the fact.
Doing "good things"? Non-Christians (and Christians for that matter) can do good things but that doesn't earn them any status with God. God shows no partiality and all have sinned.
OTHO, if you means can non-Christians do works that glorify God, sure. Joseph's brothers did a very "evil" thing in selling Joseph into slavery, but God meant it for good. God caused it to happen.
You're equating doing something very good as something that God finds pleasure in and glorifies Him. God glories in His own work, not ours. We take pleasure in His glory and we rejoice in His work.
Amen.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Colossians 3:1-3"If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
I remember reading about Lincoln vetoing some bill of Congress because he thought it was unconstitutional.
I wish that President Bush had shown that kind of courage on campaign finance reform.
I'm not totally convinced about him or his prophecies but what do I know. I do have pretty good discernment about these things but that doesn't mean I'm always right. Darn. I LOVE being right. At least I'm on the right side...smile.
I am constantly amazed at these posts. I can't fathom why Christians aren't taught that in their various religions. I was a Methodist and an Episcopalian for many years and never heard how to be saved. I finally got saved in a Baptist Church when I was 30 years old--almost 38 years ago. It was clear to me then and it's clear to me now. I don't have to do anything to earn my salvation nor do I have to go through any rites or prayers or anything else. I only have to believe that Jesus died for MY sins and receive Him into my life. It's not that tough! Why religions make it so confusing or difficult is astounding to me.
LOL! Mxxx
I will take the word of God in scripture over any book written by any church's leader or father or whoever. Who's to say THEY are right? They are NOT infallible.
We have started drawing Mennonites to our area in Central New York, as well as Amish. There's a church in Madison, NY. I've often wanted to go there just to see how they do worship. I'm sure it's a lot different from ours (smile). They make windows and install them, also small buildings. They're very industrious and self sufficient. I like that.
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