Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Mennonites are truly a God loving; people loving precious people.
Not that they have arrived in all respects, by any means!
Individuals are susceptible to greater error of self-delusion. The Church serves as checks and balances. We don't know why some people recognized Christ and others didn't. The Reformed will tell you because God said so. Then it has nothing to do with individuals or groups, does it?
Well gents..... it's high time I get to bed.... it's almost 2am my time and I've gotta see the CG tomorrow bright an early!
The word used is actually charisma. If anything, undeserved mercy is a closer translation. As such, I am not sure it is unconditional. God pardons us, but with a caveat.
While I did not find the two words "free gift" together so much, I did find the word "gift" all over the place in the Douay-Rheims, and in the correct context. For example:
Eph. 2:8 : 8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, for it is the gift of God; ... DR
So, if gift means free gift, and I think we agree that it does, then how could this be an invention of the KJV?
There is a vast difference between reformers who thought (wrongly IMHO) that Mary was pure than those who venerate before statues of her in public places and would like to see her picture at every bus stop. One would hope people could tell the difference.
I'm 15 minutes from there
Sorry Dear Brother ,this is just the TRUTH
NO! A thousand times NO! That is most definitely NOT the TRUTH.
Many popes, cardinals, bishops and others wholesale violated Scripture right and left in MANY centuries to the bloody abuse and obliteration of many saints.
I'm shocked anyone would assert such nonsense in the face of such history. Mind boggling.
Absolutely right!
But not all who claim to be 'saved' are saved. In His Church, not all are equal. Some are apostles, some are prophets and teachers, etc. The Bible says that Satan sometimes appears as the Angel of Light. We have no guarantee that what we believe we believe is truly what is true. Self-test is no test.
God bless you Captain, take care
Try Ramstein, there are over 20,000 Americans there, I'm certain there are plenty of priests.
"Whoever wants his kids to "learn" that junk should pay for it himself."
Hear hear!
We homeschool our precious little ones.
Sola Scriptura is merely a method of discerning the truth by using scripture as the final authority.
This "final" part is not in the scripture, so it is a superstition: belief in an supernatural quality of a object contrary to logic or divine revelation. Most certainly the scripture is an authority, and that is how I use it extensively on this thread. The final authority on the interpretation of the scripture belongs to the Church.
No it belongs to the Holy Spirit. People, fallible people make up the church. You in effect, worship yourselves.
I am fine with that. The knowledge of Christ crucified is the knowledge of the saints, the hermits and the martyrs. The issue I have is in the superstitious belief that all the knowledge of Christ is contained in the scripture.
Amen.
OK. It's been enlightening as always.
Good night gentlemen and may God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ bless YOU ALL. Thank you again.
Aaron
God bless you for that.
The redundancy is the invention of the KJV. A gift is only a gift if it is free, even Dr. E agrees with me on that one (miracle!). :)
There is no NEED to specify it as 'free' as it would imply that there is such a thing as non-free gift. Verbosity comes to mind.
But either way, the word used in Greek is "charisma." If that's what God inspired the Apostles to use, then we should not change them, should we?
Yeah, you should get some sleep, it's awful late over there.
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