Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Because she is His mother. Read Pope Leo.
Yes and no.
Those then saw a human box bearing the Creator of all that is.
Some have seen visions and visitations of Him since--e.g. Paul on the Damasus road and others of our era.
That's quite different than seeing the face OF FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY. By all accounts, HE IS QUITE STINGY with allowing such phenomena--both in Scripture and by all accounts since the Canon was formed.
So, in a very technical respect, it is simply NOT TRUE that Mary had anything to do with us seeing THE FACE OF ALMIGHTY GOD. And ascribing merit or benefit to or from her related to such a falacious untruth is further . . . nonsense, imho.
Well said. And you do most admirably at that. Congrats.
I could care less about one man's opinion. Peter said, Obey God not man.
... defend God's Church from all attack.
Your friends are attacking the Church!
Uhhhh. NO.
Christ gave her care to John.
Some might even quite reasonably that He did so in a fairly strongly END OF AN ERA; closing off of an earthly relationship sort of way.
The scripture should be read in the company of the Chruch fathers and with attention to the context. Usually it is clear form the context if the speach is metaphorical or direct. No, we don't see Christ as a literal door, because the context does not call for such reading, and it never occurred to anyone in the Church to read it that way. In John 6, however, the literal meaning of "flesh to eat" is challenged by the disciples, and Jesus clarifies that he means it literally and not metaphorically: "meat indeed".
. . . a closing off of the MOTHER/SON relationship.
It seems to me, that her brief was as all of ours post Cross and REsurrection:
She was from thenceforth to see Him as Isaiah . . .
HIGH AND LIFTED UP; HIS TRAIN FILLED THE TEMPLE; WOE AM I A WOMAN OF UNCLEAN LIPS.
work out those other projections?
Is it your hypothesis that I was asleep during the 3,000 plus hours of intense group process groups?
Surely the Catholics have a patron saint for this sort of thing. Someone from the Wiggles, perhaps?
Has sternly pontificating about posts one's skipped now become a custom around here?
I missed that memo.
It is a very slick out, though. I must remember that one.
God will make abundantly clear to all of us
WHERE we EACH have problems and where we don't
vis a vis HIS TRUTHS
vs
doctrines of man;
traditions of man
doctrines and traditions of demons
theology from our frijoles gas pains vs from Scripture.
Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.He does not single her out as someone who should not be concerned with His work. Rather, He says that He himself is not of the mind to begin His ministry. There is no rebuke.
Second, the Mother of God knows ahead of time that the miracle will be forthcoming at her request, as she instructs the waiter to obey Christ.
This sets up the model where the Mother of God is attentive to our needs and asks Christ with confidence that His grace be directed at us.
When will that reference to Pope Leo be coming?
Not different. Christ "is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature", Col. 1:15.
He says that He himself is not of the mind
This is massively unbiblical. Jesus said that he came to do the Father's will, not his own. Therefore, no one but the Father could give him directions.
He gave her to the "disciple He loved", and him to her.
Surely you are not going to argue that His dying words on the cross were not of cosmic significance. I see us all there at the foot of the cross. So should you.
Thanks, that is clearer. It seems to include Saints in Heaven in Communion in part but not whole, in a clumsy way of putting it.
The key exclusion I see is intercessory prayer. In the Church, Saints in Heaven are included in this long long before St. Augustine, from the beginning.
Scriptural references are, I believe: Hebrews 12:1 and Revelation 5:8.
So I see this section as saying Saints in Heaven are included, but we can't be sure how much interaction, "The holy dead act upon the living, and, it may be, are reacted upon in ways we do not understand."
The part of prayers of intercession rejects them because "We do not go to them to ask them to intercede for us with the Father, for we believe there is but one Mediator.."
However, maybe we would agree this doesn't follow logically. It would reject ALL intercessory prayer. I don't think Reformed Theology does this?
So it leaves me a bit clearer but also more confused. Saints in Heaven are part of Communion, clearly and deeply part. They act/react/contemplate us in ways we do not know, but "they are interested in us and concerned for our happiness." However, we are not to include them in intercessory prayer, because there's "one Mediator between God and man."
Unless there's a different definition of intercessory prayer in Reformed theology, in which case I'm thrice confused.
You're right the last section is key to what I was asking about. And I do appreciate your time and effort in posting it.
And, if I'm reading it right, yes, it might be a good idea to change some of your "habits and language."
:)
Thanks very much..
Why, the keys can be taken metaphorically, as the ability to decide on matters of salvation -- to "bind and loose". I am not aware of any Catholic teaching that understands the Pearly Gate and the key as a physical gate and physical key.
Read John 2. He says, "my hour has not yet come", then does it anyway.
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