Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
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This is an excellent article on predestination: On Predestination.
No it doesn't. What error did the corrupt popes teach?
Not interested in the article. Where is the Scripture that supports this view?
Matthew 25, primarily. The elect are elect form the foundation of the world, but are judged by their works.
The article brings in quite a bit of scripture, of course. I would not be able to top it.
I have always wondered why the second part of Matthew 25 (the sheep and the goats) is deemed to be a parable, because it does not fit the mold of any of the other parables.
The chapter you speak of supports no such concept
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I don't think it is a parable. It is a very clear and direct teaching.
Nothing says scholarship like 'whut'.
'Whut up dog'.
Of course it does. Do you disagree that it teaches that the elect are from the foundation of the world? Or that they are judged by their works of charity? Or what do you think is missing in it, in support of the doctrine of predestination and free will?
However, if you ask Protestants about it, they always want to dismiss it as a parable, because it completely invalidates their "sola fide" invention.
Whatever context is conveintent when excuses whatever prots happen to like to do regardless of what scripture says. Like book worship, denying the Holy Spirit, ignoring commandments that folks be baptised.
Face it protestants have the lego version of Christianity where they get to build whatever they want regardless of whether it goes with the instructions; it may look neat but it ain't what Christ came to deliver.
By the way, like most Catholics, I used to think that the Protestants generally have a good grasp on the scripture, till I discovered this cavalier attitude to all but isolated prooftexts. In one of his sermons Luther admitted to the parables being a complete mystery that we should not attempt to understand. Not surprisingly, it was the parable of the rich man asking how to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven, and Christ answering, essentially, "by your works of love and dedication".
I have noticed a lot in these forums recently that certain challenges to Protestants go unanswered, my guess is that they lack a "pre-packaged" response to it.
I was asking last week why it is that God would devise a plan for Salvation that involves reading the Bible when the that would be nearly impossible for nearly everyone for almost fifteen hundred years after his death when the printing press was invented. After a few of us remarked about their avoidance of the question, they all collectively seemed to agree that God had just planned it that way.
Think of all the "illegitimate" children most of those travesties produce. Astounding.
A legal annulment on the grounds of deceit is one thing. But to say a 20-year, church-sanctified marriage with children never happened is cruel lunacy.
It was no rebellion. Moses was giving, "the word of the Lord". Dueteronomy says it came from God, it did not. When Jesus speaks in the Gospels, he's speaking to the reader. He gave an example of the bread of the scribes and pharisees, that exists in scripture.
Yet you do not understand that God foresees from the beginning all that people do within time, that this divine foreknowledge is stable, but the works of humans within time are free. – Orthodox View
"Therefore," says the Pelagian, "He foreknew who would be holy and immaculate by the choice of free will, and on that account elected them before the foundation of the world in that same foreknowledge of His in which He foreknew that they would be such. – Former Catholic View, Augustine on Predestination
I'm pretty sure that this is essentially what the Church said to Henry VII. His response was to join up with the Protestants, destroy many of the monastaries and nunneries in England and have his wife beheaded,
From a Protestant perspective, can you cite one single thing that Henry VIII got "right"? Because I am unaware of anything he did that was.
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