Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
It's like this. I know a Peruvian woman. I knew her when she was 19 or so. She got pregnant before being married. She believed the RCC's teaching about artificial birth control.
She didn't get that the whole thing is a unitary package, and that, y'see, there's this other teaching about intercourse when you're not married: Don't.
Kolo et al. are going in this direction: If you pull the phrase "Mother of God" out of the Church, who knows what will happen? Ditto with, "Jesus is God."
Fornication (which is to say 'illicit sexual intercourse') is no less a sin because you don't add the use of weird devices or hormones to it. I can see telling the judge, "Yeah, I shot him, but I didn't cuss at him." The correct answer is,"Good! Not cussing is good. But you're still a murderer."
More appositely, eschewing Artificial Birth Control is not a virtue when done in the context of fornication.
As Kolo says, or at least suggests, devotion to our Lady assumes the context of the Church, the Creeds, the whole Megillah.
If I say,"I personally would not mind firing the bullet that helped Osama to his final destination," you would probably need to know a little history to avoid thinking that I want to shoot rich Arabs.
So if Theotokos is confusing, if there actually IS somebody who is confused by it and not just somebody displaying unneeded compassion for the someday possibly confused, that is not sufficient to show it's a bad term, anyumpore than Bush's (ONE of the Bushes anyway ...) saying, "Bring it ON!". What looks like swagger in some contexts is perfectly good on others.
Let's roll.
(1)I have no problem with GOD being a consortium of Spirits(Father, Son, Holy Spirit)..
(2) or of God being of a modal nature.. (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) are MODES of one Spirit..
Note: because its hard for humans to grasp (oneness so intimate) the truth could be both concepts could be true at the same time.. You know, Infinite oneness.. only possible in the "Spiritual Dimension".. But here in this dimension three entities.. Kind of makes the "Bride of Christ" take on another dimension don't it.. and the term that a husband and wife should become "one flesh" metaphorically..
The Spiritual merging of spirits could be the norm in the future.. At least some spirits.. And human life on this planet qualifies you(your spirit) for mergeing OR NOT.. the ones NOT qualified being denizens of "hell".. True this is all speculation.. but then children(of God) are all about speculating about things..
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When the Apostles asked who would be greatest in "heaven".. Jesus grabs a child and said "one like this is the greatest in heaven"..
This part of your sentence doesn't work. Can you restate it?
Is that a yes?
Some of us RCCs and EOs actually know our way around a Bible. Check the thread. We may reach conclusions different from yours, but that won't be changed by great chunks of Scriptural excerpts, IMHO.
"Monarchian"?
This is amazing to me. How in the world do you get that from scripture?
What about the baptism of Jesus: "...voice from heaven...this is my Beloved Son...Spirit descending like a dove."
[How would you define 'mysticism' in the context you use?]
Basically, add on doctrines and false scriptures that are not the Word of God but rather the traditions and fables of men who withstand the word of God.
That's a charge Protestants and Catholics through at each other and repeats your other claims; I don't undertand your addition of mysticism to it.
Is this the total of your understanding of the Christian mystics?
Yep. Sorry. Spelling matters, doesn't it?
"Just answer yes or no. How hard is that?"
PM, simplistic, and apparently deficient, Protestant understanding of the Trinity doesn't get to set the terms of a debate which ended more than 1000 years before anyone ever heard of Protestantism.
Now you may prefer more clarity than God has graced us to possess thusfar. But that isn't the way it is. So we are left where we find ourselves. If we had a level of gnosis such as you seem to desire or if, lacking that, God were circumscribed by human understanding and experience, one might well be able to pose the question as you have, but God isn't, is He? Our understanding, by God's grace, is that God is One. This is why, when you say in the Creed about the Son, and I assume you believe it, you pray:
"One in essence with the Father through Whom all things were made...."
"Are you some variety of Monarchist?"
You've lost me. I'm sorry.
See 7730.
Are you a sabellianist?
"Yep. Sorry. Spelling matters, doesn't it?"
Thanks, MD! Padre, I thought you were asking if, a) I believed in monarchial political systems (no, not generally) or b)if I believed in the Monarchy of The Father (yes).
As for the Monarchian heresy, no I, like all Orthodox Christians, am most definitely not a Monarchian.
"Are you a sabellianist?"
Nor am I a sabellianist. :)
How are the Father and the Son different? Or do you think they are the same?
No its a I don't know for sure.. Who could?..
Thats what it is.. The Father Son and Holy Spirit.. are one..
Just how one they are is debatable.. At one ment is wonderful..
On ANY level.. Even on THIS thread..
That's a charge Protestants and Catholics through at each other and repeats your other claims; I don't undertand your addition of mysticism to it.
Is this the total of your understanding of the Christian mystics?
Mysticism is a plague in the Catholic Church and has resulted in the lies that the catholicism spreads worldwide.When one would subvert the Word of God, they generally begin to add on and take away from biblical doctrine with their own doctrines and the devil has his way.
The ravages of the roman church are apparant and yet none search the scriptures and reject the false doctrines that cause the heresies of catholism to spread. And catholism is full of mstic doctrines.
mys·ti·cism
Pronunciation: 'mis-t&-"si-z&m
Function: noun
1 : the experience of mystical union or direct communion with ultimate reality reported by mystics
2 : the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or insight)
3 a : vague speculation : a belief without sound basis b : a theory postulating the possibility of direct and intuitive acquisition of ineffable knowledge or power
"How are the Father and the Son different?"
Hypostaticly.
"Trinity is simple unity; it is not merged together - it is three in one. The One three-hypostatical God has the three hypostases perfectly distinct in Himself." +Gregory of Sinai
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