'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[annalex]

I forget the word for it, but the globe reigned by the cross represents sovereignty of Christ.

The rest later. Enjoy the weekend.

[Kolokotronis]

"I am not sure what you expect of an uneducated person in terms of "figuring it out". On its face, the term does appear to stand by itself. Were I an average uneducated Christian and heard that your faith strongly stands behind that term, I would just dismiss your faith outright as a cult or something. I would be wrong, of course, but I do think it would be a "normal" reaction."

Odd comment, but marvelously ethnocentric, FK. A "normal" reaction? The simple fact is that every last Orthodox person on earth, every last Roman Catholic person on earth, every last Oriental Orthodox, likely every Lutheran and Anglican, on earth knows exactly what "Mother of God" means when applied to +Mary. That's, oh, 1,600,000,000+/- people, FK. Now my great grandmother from Greece had no education, I doubt she could even read, let alone spell Theotokos, but she only referred to the Mother of God as the Most Holy Theotokos, Panagia (the all holy one) or Panagitsa mou, my little all holy one. I guarantee that when she said those words, she didn't think that +Mary was the mother of the Trinity she praised and proclaimed every single day of her life.

There is no misunderstanding or mystery with the term. The misunderstanding, if indeed there is such, arises exclusively from the abysmal, simplistic "common sense" teaching which, it seems, goes on in sola scriptura assemblies.

[annalex]

I like these threads. There is no requirement to stay on topic.

We still haven't gotten to the Purgatory doctrine.

[Kolokotronis]

"Tsk, tsk. And to think that Joseph get's relegated to selling homes."


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dr. Eckleburg]

It (Scripture) is not a claim of completeness

But take a step back, Alex. What do we need to know or do that is NOT in Scripture? What?

[xzins]

...growth in understanding....

The issue is not "growth of understanding." It is communication through the words used.

"Mary mother of Jesus the Christ" is simply more clear than is "Mary mother of God."

Anytime one speaks clearly, then understanding is enhanced. "Mary mother of Jesus the Christ" would have been more understandable then, too.

[Kolokotronis]

"I always get nervous when Catholics post references without any scripture."

Why? I don't! :)

[Mad Dawg]

I believe it's called an "orb" as in Sceptre and Orb, and yeah, it's a sort of ornament of sovereigns. Somewhere I have a coronation commemorative prayer book with a picture of the crowned queen holding that stuff.

[xzins]

ping to 7586

[P-Marlowe]

This is incidentally, the oldest extant icon of Spock.

Note the position of the fingers.

[Kolokotronis]

"And is that the holy hand grenade of Antioch?"

No, this is. It was stolen from us Orthodoxers by the Crusaders in the sack of Constantinople and ended up in England where it has been lately a subject of much back and forth between the gay and straight wings of the Anglican Communion (for all the good it will do them; the instructions are in ancient Syriac). Even Protestants know that, PM! It is not for sale in any online Catholic bookstore:

[xzins]

Rotflol!

Not fair....I was eating a Subway!

[Kolokotronis]

"Anytime one speaks clearly, then understanding is enhanced. "Mary mother of Jesus the Christ" would have been more understandable then, too."

Why do you suppose so many uneducated Christians have had no problem whatsoever with it for nearly 1700 years? Perhaps because they were taught what it means by their priests?

Now pronouncing it "aright" is a different matter entirely Padre. My personal favorites among innovative pronounciations are "Thayoughtickus" and "Thayotokios" (the former said with a broad Oxford accent)! :)

[P-Marlowe]

This is incidentally, the oldest known icon of Barbie:

Note the holy hand basket and the urim and thummim mystical reading glasses.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

[xzins]

Nobody said anything about uneducated. The issue is clear communication.

I could say, "My name is Xzins."

OR

I could say, "My name is the name my momma gave me."

Both are true. The first is clear; i.e., less encumbered with a further requirement to decipher/interpret/translate/etc.

[P-Marlowe]

[xzins]

In sum, the shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line.

[xzins]

I always knew Barbie was a blonde.

[P-Marlowe]

Satan has icons too: