'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[HarleyD]

Then why are you elected and the others not?

Grace.

[D-fendr]

Why grace for you and not the non-elect?

[bornacatholic]

Not by Scripture Alone: A Catholic Critique of the Protestant Doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Paperback) by Robert A. Sungenis (editor)

Go to Amazon and you can read the first 6-7 pages of the forward for free.

I think it will be worth your time

[bornacatholic]

Any exegesis of John Six which claims the words of Jesus are symbolic makes Jesus Satan.

Whoever persecutes and assaults me has eternal life are what the words of Jesus mean symbolically.

[blue-duncan]

"Mary did not give birth to a nature, BD. That's pretty silly, don't you think?"


When you speak of human nature you speak not only of personality but flesh. Heb. 2:16-17, "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of of the people."

[klossg]

"while you worship the vessel through which God chose to bring Jesus Christ to earth."

Your last word is to state a false accusation? I guess that is as good a house of cards as any. Was/is Christ true God and true man? Was He the same when He was born? Was He the same before He was born? So, did Mary give birth to Christ or did He change somehow, sometime? When? How? Do you worship the true Christ or some Nestorian or Arian super man/guy/spirit-with-a-shell-of-a-body/being-better-than-man-but-less-than-God who is the Christ you want him to be depending upon your understanding of Mary, his mother?

You may falsely say that we worship "the vessel". But this same denial of the difference (through Christ's grace only) of said "vessel" from all the rest of us humans, puts your faith in Christ in jeopardy because you misunderstand His plan and His very being.

And beyond this peril the simple fact remains that we do not worship Mary or any other Saint. (There are ignorant people who search for images of Mary or Christ in cheese but they are simply ignorant. The Church clearly teaches and if they would listen ... they would stop. This just proves the weakness of humanity and the saying "that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink." I am sure you have fellow protestants who have things slightly or extremely mixed up, even though they may have been taught the same things as you.)

[Dr. Eckleburg]

She is our highest Saint and role model.

I think that's the problem.

"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love." -- Ephesians 4:12-16

"Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips.

The LORD is the portion of mine inheritance and of my cup: thou maintainest my lot.

The lines are fallen unto me in pleasant places; yea, I have a goodly heritage.

I will bless the LORD, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.

I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.

Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.

For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore." -- Psalm 16:-11

[bornacatholic]

You know, all of these arguments were, ahem, fleshed-out in the First Several Ecumenical Councils.

I am curious, have you read them?

If you have, do you think asking the same questions already asked and authoritatively answered or adopting the same theological opinions as those previously condemned makes any sense or advances any fresh insights into Scripture?

You already know Kosta and Kolo know and abide by the first Seven Ecumenical Councils. They are as about as likely to repudiate them as Ted Kennedy is to turn down a free drink from a leggy blonde

[xzins]

God decided.

We either go with this or we go with a limited God who is not omnipotent, omniscient, or either.

[blue-duncan]

"She is our highest Saint and role model."

I have been led along to believe that was you. In fact, when I was initiated as an entering apprentice knight into the first order of the Knights who say Ni!, IIRC, that was one of the affirmations. What a let down. I may as well go back to work!

[blue-duncan]

"You know, all of these arguments were, ahem, fleshed-out in the First Several Ecumenical Councils."

They were there, I wasn't as I missed them due to pressing business.

"They are as about as likely to repudiate them as Ted Kennedy is to turn down a free drink from a leggy blonde"

It would have to be the blonde in all of the jokes to have a drink with the swimmer.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I may as well go back to work.

Simon says I grant you safe passage and fair skies till the third full moon.

(Donations accepted through PayPal.)

[xzins]

1Ti 2:5 - For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,


The above is an interesting verse given Peter's: "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Paul calls the resurrected Lord "man...Christ(God)."

Peter did essentially the same with the pre-resurrection Christ.

This removes Mary as mediator.

It also means that someone gave physical birth and origin to this "man."

[Dr. Eckleburg]

God decided.

Amen.

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself" -- Ephesians 1:3-9

[bornacatholic]

http://www.scborromeo.org/truth/fig4.htm

[bornacatholic]

They were there, I wasn't as I missed them due to pressing business.

*You stole that line from Reagan :)

[xzins]

Could they ever have included the Gospel of Cerinthus in the canon?

Why?

[Blogger]

Were you saying Ni! to that person???

[blue-duncan]

My patron saint!

[HarleyD]

Ooooooo...doggy. Them there sure are a lot of words.

I tried to find the references from Sungenis in regards to Sproul's interpretation of "justified" but was unable to do so. I suppose he wants me to PAY for a book. He shouldn't really get bent out of shape that Sproul doesn't want to debate him since Sproul is a rather busy man. But I personally find debates meaningless; just look at any Presidential debate and tell me if you are any smarter when you come away from them.

I would disagree with your author's view:

In the case of Abraham, for example, we can understand the phrase "his faith is reckoned as righteousness" in Romans 4:5 such that God is recognizing or viewing Abraham's faith as righteousness, or that God interpreted the faith Abraham demonstrated as righteousness, or both.

The author makes a common error that is often made by many Protestants, that God "viewed" Abraham's faith as righteousness. The error here is, of course, faith is a gift from God and comes from hearing. Thus, in Abraham's case as in all of our method of salvation, God calls to Abraham instilling him with faith. Abraham does only what faith instructs him to do, believe in God and desire to live a godly life being obedient to God's calling. Many people, including this author, doesn't understand the instilling of faith by God.

In my search I did come across a rather interesting article in Wikipedia on various views on Justification. I thought it was rather interesting.