'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[HarleyD]

Nonsense. The Lord never taught anything about bishops being husbands of one wife, nor that presbyters and their wives are to be "model citizens."

1Ti 3:1-7 This [is] a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

The doctrines of the Church concern themselves with the Holy Trinity and Christ, based on the Scripture and what was not reduced to writing but taught by Apostoles verbally.

Someone in the Church must not have gotten the message.

[Forest Keeper]

Remember that Lewis was an Anglican, not a Latin or Orthodox so his pov will be somewhat different from ours.

That's right, and I suppose that makes him sort of a Protestant. And, I even knew that, but at the time it didn't occur to me. Funny. I just read it as a credible source "in support" (generally) of the underlying work.

... The consensus patrum per se doesn't "issue" any "decrees", though it is very, very often part of the basis for a dogmatic decree of a council.

Thank you for the explanation. I "think" that is the idea I had. Is it then correct then that in the EOC, that nothing has been "set in stone" (in terms of things "new") since the Ecumenical Councils? Also, how many of them do you recognize? I've seen answers from 7 to 9.

P.S. When I said "Ecumenical Councils" above, I meant the old famous ones. :) Have there been any since those, and could one really come about in modern times now at any time? Thank you for your pings concerning a possible Reunification Council, and that would certainly be a big enough deal to warrant one. I guess, what I mean is, does it take a major cause, like Reunification, to warrant a new Council? OR, is that the only POSSIBLE cause of the next Council? I.e., could the Orthodox hold their own independent Council?

[SaintDismas]

I am Catholic and tend to agree with your thoughts about the birth of Jesus. For crying out loud, I guess I'm an ignoramus of my own faith because I had no idea that virgin meant anything other than no sexual relations. Physical virginity? Does this somehow mean that if a poor girl slips and falls in the barn looking for newborn kittens, falls stradling a board and is injured thus, is no longer a virgin? (happened to my cousin) I am a little upset by this because to me it is almost like making that "physical" thing more than what it ought to be. Guess I need to re-educate my mind on what "virgin" means

[Forest Keeper]

It does make one wonder though, given Benny's penchant for extra-biblical revelation, what would happen if the AC were on the scene.

He'd be Benny's lawyer! :)

[P-Marlowe]

My original autographed Scofield KJV with original notes in Aramaic updated through the various councils and thoroughly re-annointed at the last Council of Aaaragh says he was "full of faith and power".

The Textus Receptus reads as follows:

stefanov de plhrhv pistewv kai dunamewv ...

Freely translated this means Stephen, being fully loaded with pistols and dynamite...

[Blogger]

ROFL! Now don't confuse them with going back to what the Greek ACTUAL says. You're correct that Charis is not a part of the equation.

[HarleyD]

What? Not at all. You are saved if you are free from unconfessed mortal sin at death.

Mortal sin is defined by St. Augustine (Contra Faustum, XXII, xxvii) as "Dictum vel factum vel concupitum contra legem æternam", i.e. something said, done or desired contrary to the eternal law, or a thought, word, or deed contrary to the eternal law. - New Advent

Wow, that is pretty heavy. If you have one bad thought or say one bad word after the last rites, oops...goodbye heaven...hello hell.

I am really surprised you know so little about Catholicism after spending all your time on Catholic threads.

HA!!! With the answers I get from Catholics???? Please. Half the time I have to spend trying to figure out if what I'm being told is correct Catholic doctrine. New Advent website hits have gone up 75,000 in the last year simply because of me. Ask Catholics what the Church believe in the Atonement or the inspiration of scripture and I get all sorts of goofy answers telling me I'm wrong. Ask Catholics what the Church believe in Mary and everyone seems to know that!!! Shows you where the emphasis lies.

The seed does come from God. It is up to the faithful to grow it or to wreck it.

Does God give the seed of faith to everyone? If not then how can you believe in unlimited atonement? If so then why doesn't everyone believe in Christ?

But for me a broader question is "what is faith"? For a start here is Faith as defined by New Advent. To me it is typical of the gooblygook writings of the Catholic Church. You guys really need to clean house.

[bornacatholic]

It is so weird..I mean, the exact same words in the exact same order are being used.

In my new job as an aphorist, I respond to such situations like this

Peter resurrected Tabitha. Protestants resurrect heresies

[xzins]

Being a namesake of the aforementioned deacon, let me state that those of us with that particular given name have an especially hard time being sinless, so I would have to with deep regrets ...

disagree

....with that particular direction of the Council of Aaarghhh (spelling non-consequential), and with any of the LHP's of KOETT's who would determine "full of grace" to equal anything like sinlessness.

"Full of Beer," however, is never mentioned.

I thought I'd bring it up here as I have recently purchased a supply of very fine Belgian Abbey Ale, "Brasserie des Rocs."

You all are invited. The head runneth over.

[HarleyD]

My, my. I checked the Greek and you're right!!!! The term "full of grace" is only used with our Lord Jesus. That's what I get for trusting Thompson. Is nothing sacred??? Oh the humanity.

[Forest Keeper]

The Spirit differs from the Son not in being lesser to Him or to the Father, but – as regards His existence – in proceeding from the Father.

Oh Well, since I AM THE ONLY ONE HERE, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, Kosta. :) Now, I KNOW I won't get a lick of support in this, but I'm still going to throw out the completely crazy Protestant idea that the Spirit proceeds from both the Father AND Son. Blogger, sometimes we Protestants have to go way out on a limb on things like this, but that's what we're here to do! :)

[blue-duncan]

Hold on Harley,

I've just had a word from his eminence, P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*), may no one cough at the mention of his name, that my original Scofield KJV with notes in Aramaic might have a mistranslation concerning Stephen. Do to his august stature and girth, the usual council was bypassed and he has pronounced Stephen to be "fully loaded with pistols and dynamite...". That should come as a surprise to those who stoned him. We are awaiting further word on any repercussions from this revelation.

[blue-duncan]

"That's what I get for trusting Thompson"

Thompson, Thompson? I thought you were a real Calvinist. Dickson or Scofield maybe, but Thompson with a chain? No wonder there was a mistake.

[bornacatholic]

Oh, absolutely. I just speak about the protestant revolutionaries changing the words Sacrifice and Oblation in Malachias to fit their ideology, but, you are absolutely right. They changed MANY words of Scripture to try and cement the success of their revolution.

What is so sad and tragic is not one in one hundred million of our Jesus Christ and Scripture loving protestant brothers and sisters have ever heard this.

If I were a protestant and learned of these things I would be LIVID.

Protestants, more than anyone else, profess sola scriptura, yet, their 16th century progenitors falsified the very Scripture they stake the salvation of their souls upon.

Rare are the occasions when the veil is lifted to reveal such damnable perfidy and so I am not expecting any protestant brother or sister to believe me. Were I a protestant, I'd think it, literally, unthinkable.

Only the Holy Spirit can help them shed the sola scriptura scales covering their eyes

What happened in the Soviet Union will, eventually, happen in protestantism. The truth will out and most folks will just stop believing Luther just like they stopped believing Lenin.

[Alex Murphy]

That's what I get for trusting Thompson. Is nothing sacred??? Oh the humanity.

FReepmail me your address, and I'll make sure a copy of the Reformation Study Bible or the Geneva Bible gets into your hands :D

[bornacatholic]

Thanks for the kind comment, brother. I pray the Holy Spirit will enlighten you

[xzins]

Freely translated this means Stephen, being fully loaded with pistols and dynamite...

ROTFLOL!

Ya just gotta read 3785

[scripter]

You all are invited.

Sounds great. But I have perhaps a better idea. I'll be out of town this weekend and I invite you all to my place. Well, the place I'll be renting. Take a look at my weekend view here.

Bring the ale to my place. ;-)

[bornacatholic]

LOL

[xzins]

Sorry, script.

Ale requires a castle.

The place you're at requires rum or tequila, Ron or Jose.

(Take your pick.)

:>)