Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
Try reading some of those Scriptures and you might see something you've overlooked.
LOL. I see me posting Scripture and you posting none of it.
You did understand my point didn't you?
Can they? Nobody's stopping them. They won't.
Why won't they? And why will you?
I've been on these threads long enough to notice Dr. Eckleburg ability to consider scripture only marginally related to the question on hand as scriptural proof, and then with a straight face defend the superstition of Sola Scriptura.
His references have seemed pretty relevant to me. What Scripture do you offer annalex?
You are. You created a room of starvers and you picked some to change; you left the others to suffer.
And you were capricious and cruel in your actions.
Yet you're elected. Aren't you?
How is this not caprice?
That says it all. Is this critique based on a Mary that has been created through tradition or actual Scripture?
BTW, I really liked the movie and thought they did a good job, especially with the portrayal of Mary. The "Mary" in pictures and on Christmas cards is more unbelievable to me than this young Mary.
I provided everything that they needed and opened the door wide that they might receive. They refused. And you still blame me? Do you believe that I was somehow obligated to force-feed them? Did I owe any of them anything more than the open door and invitation to receive?
The letters to Timothy and Titus in their entirety speak to the emerging hierarchy. Besides, at which point does the scripture begin to matter to you? To me, one verse is quite enough. Go check -- I did not take it out of context, the entire letter to Corinthians is an expression of St. Paul's authority.
St. Ignatius wrote that in 1c., which is evidence of a strong hierarchy from bishop down established as early as that. You cannot dismiss it -- it is history.
The casting of lots indeed was an expression of a desire to let God decide on the twelveth apostle, but that is because unlike bishops, the Apostles were chosen directly by Christ.
Deliberations, including protestations to the pope, are how things are done in the Catholic Church to this day. It is also noteworthy that St. Paul corrected Peter on a matter of his personal behavior, and not on a matter of faith.
It is true that St. James presided at the council of Jerusalem. That is because he was the local bishop there. But on the papacy I agree that it was much looser in the beginning; it is the hierarchy from the bishop down that was a mark of the early Church,
Why didn't you give them the same thing you gave the others? By lot?
Don't forget, you created them that way. You know they wouldn't eat unless you did your special power thing. You could have, yet you didn't, for them, just for some.
How cruel is that, Blogger!
I read the scripture daily, and appreciate your postings of it, at least when the translation is not too atrocious. My remark was satirizing your commentary, not disagreeing in any way with the scripture itself.
I didn't create them that way. They chose to be hungry.
You're trying to have it both ways.
They were all born hungry in your view. Helplessly so, without your magic mind changer. You chose to change some and not others.
Why did you choose the ones you chose and not the others? On what basis or criteria?
Read Romans. It's all there.
"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." -- Romans 9:18
Paul anticipated your questions and further explains...
Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?" -- Romans 9:19-24"Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
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