'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

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[adiaireton8]

You are dividing God.

Was the Father crucified?

-A8

[Blogger]

Did God die on the cross?

[bornacatholic]

There is no mention in the Bible of Jesus appearing to Mary after the Resurrection.

Of course, we know she is the first to whom He appeared, but trying to explain that would be like trying to teach Latin to my dead dog

[D-fendr]

This is turning into an excellent discussion and study of the Blessed Trinity.

Thanks guys.

[D-fendr]

umm, and gals?

[redgolum]

Mary is the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity. There are not two persons in Jesus. The one person in Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, and that is the Person of whom Mary is the mother.

But, at the same time, that second person in the Trinity preexisted Mary and everything else, and Mary was not the beginning of that preexistent second person (the Son). See, I was once called a Nestorian on this forum by a Roman Catholic for phrasing things just the way you did. Which kind of gets why it is important to use the same terms and assumptions in discussions like this .

[adiaireton8]

Did God die on the cross?

Yes.

Did the Father die on the cross? No. (To say otherwise is a heresy.)

The point is that denying Sabellianism does not entail a denial of the absolute simplicity of God. In other words, we do not have to choose between Sabellianism and divine simplicity. Multiplicity of the Persons, and distinction of the Persons is not the same as multiplicity of parts.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

But, at the same time, that second person in the Trinity preexisted Mary and everything else, and Mary was not the beginning of that preexistent second person (the Son).

Of course.

See, I was once called a Nestorian on this forum by a Roman Catholic for phrasing things just the way you did.

I don't know about that incident, so I can't evaluate what you said then. But to deny that Mary is the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity is to imply that Mary is the mother of either a mere nature or another person (besides the Second Person of the Trinity) in Christ. Both of those are Nestorianism.

-A8

[bornacatholic]

And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

*Just because the Bible says He was the Son of God is no reason to conculde She was His Mother ....That is just wrong, somehow...:)

And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

*Thus Elisabeth, an early heretic... :)

Where on Earth do you get your wild ideas, A? :)

[Blogger]

Mary Magdalene was actually first (Mark 16:9)

[redgolum]

I don't know about that incident, so I can't evaluate what you said then. But to deny that Mary is the mother of the Second Person of the Trinity is to imply that Mary is the mother of either a mere nature or another person (besides the Second Person of the Trinity) in Christ. Both of those are Nestorianism.

Which was what I was saying at the time! After we went round and round for a while, we both realized that we were trying to say the same thing, but not speaking in the same terms. Jo kus was on that thread (I think it was the massive Justification/Sanctification thread, but I can't find where), and he might remember who it was.

It was actually rather funny in a way.

[bornacatholic]

Nope. That is an error comon to you sola scriptursa types. Accrd to your "standard" Jesus never appeard to Mary at all...

[redgolum]

You taught your dog Latin? :)

[bornacatholic]

But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent his Son, made of a woman, made under the law:*Ut, oh. It looks like Paul erred in writing to the Catholics in Galatia

[bornacatholic]

Yes.

That was after I named him Anathema

What Catholic man doesn't want a chance to proclaim everyday... Anathema Sit

[adiaireton8]

LOL!

[redgolum]

That was after I named him Anathema What Catholic man doesn't want a chance to proclaim everyday... Anathema Sit.

LOL!

[sitetest]

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Pyro7480]

LOL

[Blogger]

Uh. Did you read the verse?