'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 12/4/2006 | John-Henry Westen

[adiaireton8]

God is not bound by any of the Aristotlean Laws of Logic - including the Law of the Excluded Middle.

By denying that the LEM applies to claims about God, you admit that it could be true that the LEM does apply to claims about God. Your claim is therefore self-nullifying.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

So am I not one of the faithful, or are you not being led by the Spirit?

-A8

[Quix]

The apostles looked upon the time from Pentecost to now as the “last days”. Peter’s comments in Acts is consistent with James and Hebrews. This is the last covenant-the last days.
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You trying to shock me into next week?

I didn’t realize there was that much agreement between us on the topic! LOL.

[adiaireton8]

"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." - C. S. Lewis

With all due respect to Lewis, he is wrong on this point, influenced by Platonism. That view is called 'angelism', and it treats the human person as equivalent to angels. In fact, we are essentially soul-body composites. My body is not something I have, like my car. My body is part of me. To touch my body is to touch me (not all of me, of course, but nevertheless me).

-A8

[Quix]

Some of us have more clogged spiritual ears on this or that issue or in general . . . than others.

[Quix]

In my experience,

it’s usually the more narrowly, parochially, blindly, rigidly biased and stubborn folks in every denomination who have the hardest time hearing accurately spiritually.

Certainly been true in my life when I’ve wallowed or walked in such junk.

[hosepipe]

[.. Whose interpretation of Jesus's "This is my body" is authoritative? ..]

The metaphor of eat my flesh, drink my blood is obvious.. it takes magisterium power to transform it into the literal.. and then make it "SILLY".. But not only silly it takes the metaphor and makes it "like" a rite from the religion worshiping Isis and Horus from the Egyptian Delta.. You know the religion with Isis(Queen of Heaven) and her perpetually infant son(Horus).. They(believers) consumed a missa(small bread) with wine also..

The Romans were always known for NOT Rejecting a foreigners God BUT including them, among their own Gods, or morphing them in with additions(except for the Jews God that is).. A practice used many times and in many ways after the Emperor Constantine made every Roman pagan a christian overnight or tried to..

[adiaireton8]

Who says human are essentially not angels?.

That other authority that you do not recognize, but which declared the Nicene Creed as orthodoxy and condemned as heretical the Platonic errors of Origen: namely, the Magisterium of the Church.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

I couldn't find in your reply an answer to my question: "Whose interpretation of 'This is my body' is authoritative?"

-A8

[adiaireton8]

Thats NOT gnostic

No, that is precisely gnostic.

-A8

[hosepipe]

[.. I couldn't find in your reply an answer to my question: "Whose interpretation of 'This is my body' is authoritative?" ]

Jesus interpretation.. Just follow the metaphor.. as the conversation naturally leads.. The metaphor shows "whats important" and its NOT the bread or wine.. Making the bread OR wine important shows you missed the meaning of the metaphor. Which obviously was its objective.. A fact worth, at least, considering..

[adiaireton8]

I've always been amazed at the RCC's teaching that the Holy Spirit does not speak to individuals,

That's not what the Catholic Church teaches.

-A8

[adiaireton8]

Jesus interpretation..

And who has Jesus's interpretation?

-A8

[hosepipe]

[.. Thats NOT gnostic / No, that is precisely gnostic. ..]

If so then a stopped clock is correct twice a day.. ;)..
Heck even the Roman Catholic church is correct every now and again..

[hosepipe]

[.. And who has Jesus's interpretation? ..]

Solo Scriptura does..

[adiaireton8]

Solo Scriptura does..

And who knows what "Solo Scriptura" says about Jesus's interpretation of "This is my body"?

-A8

[kosta50]

Joel's prophesy was fulfilled. These are the last days...Heb 1:1...James 5:2-3

Blue-duncan says the last days started with Adam. That could be, but none of the OT authors (Isaiah 2:2, Jeremiah 23:20 and 49:39, Eze 38:16, Hosea 3:5, Amos 4:2, Micah 4:1, and Joel 2:82-83) write about the last days as anytyhing but future, and not a "developing" event.

It is only in the New Testament that one begins to find references to "these last days" in the present (Heb 1:2 and James 5:3), which you cite. However, 2 Timothy and 2 Peter do not share that view but rather continue to speak of the last days as a future event:

"But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come." [2 Tim 3:1]

"Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts." [2 Pet 3:3]

[hosepipe]

[.. And who knows what "Solo Scriptura" says about Jesus's interpretation of "This is my body"? ..]

The Holy Spirit does(he was there) and is looking over your shoulder as you type.. ask him..

[adiaireton8]

The Holy Spirit does(he was there) and is looking over your shoulder as you type.. ask him..

That's the answer the Mormons all gave me. They tried that same method and claimed that the Holy Spirit had led them to become Mormons.

But as I explained in #14636, The Holy Spirit is leading me to recognize the authority of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. And the Magisterium of the Catholic Church says that "This is my body" means that upon consecration (by one ordained in succession from the Apostles), the bread actually becomes the Body of Christ, and is not a mere symbol.

-A8

[kosta50]

In other words, if you say "God is good", while denying that the LEM applies to God, then you are allowing that it could also be true that God is evil

The relativistic quantum theory Christians will tell you that this is so because of the "observer" phenomenon. :)