'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

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[Alamo-Girl]

Knee-Mail is the highest technology..

Wow! I had two reactions at the same time. Amen! and LOL!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your engaging and thoughtful post! I was contemplating a detailed reply but it seems to me that you have discerned it quite beautifully and succinctly when you said:

GOD’S NATURE IS UNCHANGEABLE. His NATURE and what HE DOES are NOT IDENTICAL constructs, sets, realities

[kosta50]

It is sad to watch Dawkins insist that God does not exist because Dawkins cannot understand Him

That is what I call the ultimate in Adamesque pride over which I shed meany a tear in shame.

The world is not created to our measure, albeit many (a la Dawkins) may feel otherewise. The ultimate arrogance is the foolishness that insists that simply because I can't see it, it must not exist.

Ergo, radio waves cannot and must not exist! :)

[Quix]

For God is (strictly speaking) “non-existent reality” — by which I mean He is not subject to the categories of space and time but is, as Plato said, “Beyond” (i.e., utterly transcendent to) the world (or Cosmos). Neither Aristotelian logic nor the scientific method can deal with this tremendous immensity.

Exactly! Very well said.

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Strongly agree.

Thanks.

[Quix]

Yes! Repent and He gently, and ever so lovingly, pushes us back “on track.”

To quote a creat hesychastic Father, “I neither fasted, nor kept vigils, nor slept on bare floor, but, to use the Pslmist’s words,’I humbled myself and God saved me.’” [Saint Symenon the New Theologian, 10th century AD)

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Beautiful.

Alas, that pesky

The good that I would do; I don’t;

The bad I wouldn’t do; I do

is sometimes an agonizingly and exceedingly frustrating thing to OVERCOME as quickly and thoroughly in a given area as one would want.

[Quix]

Indeed, that may be so. I am very sure that the asymmetry is not an accident.
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That’s certainly my emphatic conviction.

Thanks.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed! Such correspondents will argue bitterly that a tree falling in the forest makes no sound if no one is around to hear it.

It is as if reality for them is the effect of observation.

[Quix]

Bless you for saying so. PRAISE GOD FOR ANYTHING GOOD OR USEFUL.

Had to go back and see what was so insightfully wonderful! LOL.

[Quix]

Rats. So I have to be more obscure to get a longer Angel Gal response! LOL.

Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated.

PTL, of course.

[Quix]

The world is not created to our measure, albeit many (a la Dawkins) may feel otherewise. The ultimate arrogance is the foolishness that insists that simply because I can’t see it, it must not exist.

Ergo, radio waves cannot and must not exist! :)

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Very true. Well said.

Thx.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you, dear brother in Christ, for sharing your testimonies and insights!

[kosta50]

It also asserts that space/time is created as the universe expands. Some say this is the effect of the energy/matter. Others say that energy/matter is the effect of the expansion

But saying it's an effect neither one of these postulates explains just how this space is 'created.'

A physical body occupies space; radiant energy travels 'through' space. If we take all the energy and matter out of space, the space then by necessity 'collapses.' Collapsews into what?

[kosta50]

Alas, that pesky
The good that I would do; I don’t; The bad I wouldn’t do; I do

is sometimes an agonizingly and exceedingly frustrating thing to OVERCOME as quickly and thoroughly in a given area as one would want

Yup.

[kosta50]

Thank you.

[Alamo-Girl]

But saying it's an effect neither one of these postulates explains just how this space is 'created.'

That was the point raised by Jastrow in God and the Astronomers. When science confirmed by observation of the cosmic microwave background radiation in the 1960's that the universe is expanding, it meant that there was a real beginning of real space and real time.... out of nothing, ex nihilo. It was the most theological statement ever made by modern science.

Only God can create space/time ex nihilo.

It is even more astonishing because physical causation itself relies on space/time: in the absence of time, events cannot occur and in the absence of space, things cannot exist. All cosmologies require space/time for causation.

A physical body occupies space; radiant energy travels 'through' space. If we take all the energy and matter out of space, the space then by necessity 'collapses.' Collapsews into what?

If you collapse the singularity as well: No-thing. The Hebrew word for this is Ayn Sof, God the creator - One without end from which all being emerges and into which all being dissolves.

[kosta50]

the old business of light being a particle or a wave DEPENDING ON whether it is observed or not--HAS NOW BEEN PROVEN FALSE

Any refreences? And if indeed so, what is light then?

I am very familiar with optical design and engineering of astronomical imaging systems, and this comes as a surprise because all our calculations of optics and image quality assesments are based on both premsises.

[Alamo-Girl]

LOL! GMTA ... I was following up on that very point and could not find any such article on American Institute of Physics. I was just about to ask Quix for a reference.

[Quix]

Goodness!

What do I know. Just one of the massive number of threads I scan so frequently—98% on FR. I’m very sure it was on FR.

I don’t recall anything about the title.

I was just very struck by this rather longish lasting “truth” about light being proven wrong suddenly. I think it was a European experiment. But I think it was quickly verified in the USA. It was a very clever experimental design. I think it involved splitting a laser beam etc. etc.

It was on the outer limits of my easy understanding of such things so I didn’t dwell overlong on it. Sorry.

I think that’s the best I can do. But I’m certain the thread was on FR. And, I think in the last 3-6 weeks.

[Quix]

Goodness! PINGING KOSTA50 THIS TIME, TOO.

What do I know. Just one of the massive number of threads I scan so frequently—98% on FR. I’m very sure it was on FR.

I don’t recall anything about the title.

I was just very struck by this rather longish lasting “truth” about light being proven wrong suddenly. I think it was a European experiment. But I think it was quickly verified in the USA. It was a very clever experimental design. I think it involved splitting a laser beam etc. etc.

It was on the outer limits of my easy understanding of such things so I didn’t dwell overlong on it. Sorry.

I think that’s the best I can do. But I’m certain the thread was on FR. And, I think in the last 3-6 weeks.

[kosta50]

It was the most theological statement ever made by modern science

But it wasn't the only possible statement.

Only God can create space/time ex nihilo

Well, with God anything is possible, including that the universe was created as is. God doesn't need space/time to create. Besides, a periodic (oscilating) universe would keep re-creacting itself in a perpetuum mobile fashion without any need of God. Each repetition would be the 'beginning.'