'The Nativity Story' Movie Problematic for Catholics, "Unsuitable" for Young Children

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[wmfights]

I believe that there are som who brazenly worship Mary and fiercely believe it to be right because they’ve gotten that drift from the Insitution. God have mercy on them.

It seems to be a moving target. Each generation, or century rolls by, and the worship expands and her role grows. Thus, the people who throw themselves on the floor prostrate to "venerate" Mary at EO services (yet this isn't done for JESUS) don't think anything of it. I think these people fall into this behavior because it is becoming common place. They probably are very desirous of a close personal relationship with GOD, but have been misled to believe they have to go through her.

I think your psychological analysis is probably right on target.

[kawaii]

nobody throws themselves on the floor to prostrate mary in any liturgies at orthodox parishes.

protestantism is the 20,000 mixed messages moving target. Orthodox doctrine doesn’t change. it’s not a moving target.

[kawaii]

whereas some folks just take the advise of the wolfish pastor dujour and move along if they, in their papal authority, disagree with him...

[wmfights]

i think something as symbol ladden and confusing as the book of revelation should be considered only in the context of the scruitiny of the church and not doven into by one’s self...

I don't believe God gave us the capacity to think in order to ask others to do it for us.

Numerous times EO have stated that if there is a leader in this church that goes against Scripture they will be deposed. Obviously, if true, the members of the EOC have the capacity to recognize right and wrong.

[kawaii]

Protestantism should co-market with Holiday in;

Protestants aren’t Popes, they don’t have degrees in theology, but each and every one of them DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

[kawaii]

I don't believe God gave us the capacity to think in order to ask others to do it for us.

Thinking is a selfish human creation. God didn't ask Adam and Eve to ponder the tree in the garden he ordered them to stay away from it. They thought otherwise, the rest is history.

[wmfights]

nobody throws themselves on the floor to prostrate mary in any liturgies at orthodox parishes.

I may have misread earlier posts from Kosta. He did mention the overreaction to Mary versus Jesus.

[kawaii]

by 2 kooks at a single Serbian parish in America.

unlike protestants the laity coming up with crazy new ideas does NOT change Orthodox doctrine, nor Orthodox praxis.

it just makes a couple of laity look bizzare.

[wmfights]

Protestants aren’t Popes, they don’t have degrees in theology, but each and every one of them DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

The Pharisees and Sadducee's had all the trappings of office, yet the Son of God stood in front of them and they didn't see who he was. They had all this "official, certified, ordained" training and they didn't see the fulfillment of prophesy.

What good was their theological training when the greatest moment in history was happening in front of them and they didn't recognize it?

[kawaii]

The point of Christ continual interaction with The Pharisees and Sadducees wasn’t that a formal and educated priesthood was wrong. God himself throughout the Old Testament establish the priesthood.

The problem with them is exactly what protestants do reguraly; they’d take little pieces of scripture out of context and apply them to situations, completely misinterpreting the greater meaning of scripture in the process. Meantime they lived hypocritical lives, and used religion for financial gain.

Not at all unlike the televangeistas and TBN idols who mangle scripture for financial gain daily.

[kosta50]

I'm finding it a very slow process to try and understand it, because the words are so symbolic and there is so much numerology in it

I didn't mean to minimize the difficulty. I think anyone who has struggled with biblical issues from the heart can understand that.

[jo kus]

I believe that there are som who brazenly worship Mary and fiercely believe it to be right because they’ve gotten that drift from the Insitution. God have mercy on them.

Q,

Can you point me to one line in the Catholic Catechism that says anything close to what you state? Now, can someone misteach what the Church teaches? Of course. Priests and nuns are not perfect, nor are RCIA teachers or Sunday school teachers. They have been known to be wrong. But the official stance of the Church does not include any such "worship" of Mary. Let me know when you can give me any official stance that says otherwise. Until then, you are dealing with personal devotions or mistaken ideas.

Regards

[kosta50]

i think something as symbol ladden and confusing as the book of revelation should be considered only in the context of the scruitiny of the church and not doven into by one’s self

Agree, kawaii.

PS is "doven" a legitimate English word?

[kosta50]

I don't believe God gave us the capacity to think in order to ask others to do it for us

[kosta50]

I don't believe God gave us the capacity to think in order to ask others to do it for us

Yet, the bible tells us otherwise.

[kosta50]

I may have misread earlier posts from Kosta. He did mention the overreaction to Mary versus Jesus

The Chuch has no control over what people do. The Church can only teach the truth is was given by Christ. What we do with it is ours.

The Church does not teach what some people practice.

[kosta50]

The point of Christ continual interaction with The Pharisees and Sadducees wasn’t that a formal and educated priesthood was wrong

exactly. Pharisees were not all priests. Besides, God established royal priesthood (and I don't remember Christ ever abolishing it!). Just because human corruption made it corrupt does not change the fact that God wants royal priesthood.

It was the way the Pharisees approach the Law and the Prophets that was wrong, not the priesthood.

[wmfights]

I didn't mean to minimize the difficulty.

I didn't take it that way.

It's a great deal of fun to go back and forth and argue different points. It's a great way to learn!

[kosta50]

The Pharisees and Sadducee's had all the trappings of office, yet the Son of God stood in front of them and they didn't see who he was. They had all this "official, certified, ordained" training and they didn't see the fulfillment of prophesy

Well, the Reformed will simply tell you that God ordained it so before all ages. So, it wasn't them but God who made sure they couldn't see.

The Less Deformed will tell you that this is a very human thing. Even the Apostles did not fully believe until after the fact; they were also blind and failed, and they ate and walked with Him! So, how can you blame those who doubted him from afar?

[wmfights]

The Church does not teach what some people practice.

Yet some sects don't do a lot to stop it and after a few generations it becomes accepted as the norm by that sect.