Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
:>)
Hardly. We were still trying to round the wheels on our chariots......
Oh yes, I'm agreeing.
The symmetry view is that if everything is the same, perfect formless, there is no cause.. and your points apply here.
The view is, from a point of view of physics, a break occurred in this symmetry.. a point unlike all the others, which brought forth a difference-in charge let's say. This began the cascade of reactions, force/cause, result/change, force... cause arose due to there being a break in formless symmetry. This results in cause and effect, space and time. As you describe.
So rather than space/time expanding from big bang, it can be viewed as broken symmetry cascading out, like cracks in an ice pond.
If time and space are both creations, and geometry is the result, a I AM predated creation, then all that was was God.
I agree. From what I understand about everyone on the "To:" line, we're going to live forever! In that sense, much of our lives have not yet happened.
If that's how you define it, then we're in agreement. I would call it free will and omniscience, but if we get the same place, we get the same place.
But, so often our side wants to leave off the predestination part. The saved will end up being saved, and the damned will end up being damned.
That part makes them uncomfortable. They feel a need to special plead for God so no one will think he's not your "average Joe nice guy."
With the definitions you've provided, indeed. Our current study of Acts has convicted me to follow the Great Commission with a renewed drive to reach the lost for Christ.
John Wesley warned not to waste one's time on those who will not hear.
That doesn't mean they won't some day hear, but it does mean not to beat your head against the wall.
Preach to the receptive.
So reduce God to something lower and elevate man. Next thing you know we claim that we become Gods.
I wasn't recommending it. I was suggesting that that is the only way out of the "omniscience dilemma."
Redefining God's omniscience is essentially what the Open Theists had to do.
Our small group is actually going to our local mall with a banner asking: "What is the significance of Easter" where we can get input from others, get a chance to chat and hand out whatever they'll accept.
We're also going to a local skate park where we'll BBQ food and offer it to the kids at the park and at the same time talk to them about God.
I'm looking forward to both events with great anticipation for what God will bring about. Of course, He already knows what will happen. ;-)
"to blaspheme the Holy Spirit"
You raise a great point. When we willfully disregard the Holy Spirit dwelling in us we are disrespecting the Holy Spirit. However, the Holy Spirit won't abandon us and will ultimately guide us to recognize our sin.
ROTFLOL!
The more things change the more they stay the same.
"The only explanation behind this continued absurd self-defeating logic is a hatred towards the Church. They will commit intellectual suicide so as to "prove" the Church was WRONG!"
Let's see if we can reduce this whole problem to a simple mathematical formula.
Septuagint (O.T. + Apocrypha) + N.T. = Church
Septuagint - Apocrypha + N.T. = non Church (hatred towards the Church)
Therefore: Apocrypha = Church
And let there be light.
Or maybe the saved are those who end up being saved and the damned are those that end up not being saved.
This semitautology allows for omniscience without double predestination.
LOL!!! It seems to me the "Church" is made up of anything that ISN'T considered the word of God. Wouldn't it have been better to express it as:
He surely knows you're gonna eat too much Bar-B-Que.. :)
lol
Marysecretary, You MUST obey the apocrypha!
Thusly (mathematicians are allowed to say that)
S (OT + A) + NT = C
SOT + A + NT = C
SOT + NT = C-A
(SOT + NT)/T = (C-A)/T
SO+N=(C-A)/T
So, therefore, this should be proof to all sceptics that your son is really a cat.
And since a duck is a witch or a block of wood, I think we have something irrefutable going on here.
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