Posted on 12/04/2006 7:52:47 PM PST by Pyro7480
"The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD." -- Proverbs 16:33
When God created the world did He know absolutely everything?
Isn't this the old Egyptian religion? they weigh out your heart and you have a bribe ready in case the big dog wants to gulp it down.
actually they're not full members they're associate members; they're there to witness to Christian truth.
the orthodoxwiki article is outdated.
see this:
http://www.oca.org/News.asp?ID=1167&SID=19#%22PHOTOindex.asp?SID=11%22
God always knew/knows/knowing absolutely everything.
We don't.
I think we're gonna find out.
How do you define it?
Did God know everything BEFORE He created?
There's no "before" there as best I understand.
But I don't think it affects your point too much yet.
That's your definition? ;-)
How do you define it?
I hold to the standard definition. :-) As I understand the standard definition, it is that some believe God created some for Heaven and some for Hell. It's not theology to which I adhere. And as I see it, this definition of double predestination does not equate to omniscience so I agree with your previous statement. God knows where everyone spends eternity and of course God knows everything about everything, but that does not equate to God creating some for Heaven and some for Hell.
God pre-existed the creation. From our perspective that is "before." (His, too, since He understands our perspective.)
Yep, that's pretty much where I'm headed. There are some other variances such as infralapsarian and supralapsarian..
But yeah, omniscient means all-knowing, period. To go past this theologically requires additional propositions.
If God knew everything prior to creating Scripter, then He also knew Scripter's destiny. Had He not wanted you created, then He would not have created you. Therefore, you were created "for" your destiny.
We believe, since God is Love, that all His purposes are Just. (Justice being one form of Love.)
There wasn't a before before creation, and there's only a before/after for the finite perspective.
It's important to bear in mind these distinctions, but, again, I don't think it's going to affect your point yet if ever.
"IOW, if you are not saved by Grace through Faith you will not have the Holy Spirit indwelling you and when you are judged you will not be found righteous."
That's the whole idea behind the parable about the guy that shows up at the wedding banquet in blue jeans and a tee shirt. Matt. 22:11
The Book of Job indicates there was a "before" creation. Very clearly, actually.
This whole "time" thing is so sticky, however, that it's best to acknowledge a wide range of views on it, AND a difficulty with its complexities.
Or he could have created Scripter's parents with free will and with it they chose to have Scripter with God-given free will and so on and so on, all the way back and all the way forward.
That Scripter is a degenerate reprobate can be both foreknown and still partly a result of free will choices along the way.
Yes, we only get glimpses of eternity at most in this life.
We can have "free will" all over the place, and it doesn't affect what God does or does not know. If you change you mind 20 times today about whether you will or will not go to the grocery store this evening, does God know what you will end up doing?
Yes, that's the point I'm making. Omniscience doesn't inherently mean free will or predetermination.
Omniscience doesn't equal double predestination. It also doesn't equal free will.
More steps are involved.
....at the wedding banquet in blue jeans and a tee shirt Hawaiian Shirt. Matt. 22:11
Now.
Much better.
:>)
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