Posted on 12/01/2006 7:48:24 PM PST by Pyro7480
Okay. :)
That was my understanding aslo Kolo (The whole reason old Russian orthodox church says Russian Greek Orthodox Church) or some such...
Do you think the EP would have been able to make the moves he did had the Russian church not been compromised?
We outnumber you and it is an axiom of right reason and orthodox philosophy that more is better.
The greeks didn't exactly cave at florence, they noted that a Synod would have to review any potential conclusions and the Latins jumped the gun announcing union.
Y'all may outnumber us, but you're also schismatics so there's no real merit to the decisions of your councils. ;p (tongue in cheek mind you)
From Orthodoxwiki
Early Missions (1767-1900)
1741 Divine Liturgy celebrated on a Russian ship off the coast of Alaska.
1767 A community of Orthodox Greeks establishes itself in New Smyrna, Florida.
1794 Missionaries, including St. Herman of Alaska, arrive at Kodiak Island, bringing Orthodoxy to Russian Alaska.
1796 Martyrdom of Juvenaly of Alaska.
1799 Ioasaph (Bolotov) consecrated in Irkutsk as first bishop for Alaska, but dies in a shipwreck during his return.
1816 Martyrdom of Peter the Aleut near San Francisco.
1817 Russian colony of Fort Ross established 60 miles from San Francisco.
1824 Fr. John Veniaminov comes to Unalaska, Alaska.
1825 First native priest, Jacob Netsvetov.
1834 Fr. John Veniaminov moves to Sitka, Alaska; liturgy and catechism translated into Aleut.
1836 Imperial ukaz regarding Alaskan education issued from Czar Nicholas I that students were to become faithful members of the Orthodox Church, loyal subjects of the Czar, and loyal citizens; Fr. John Veniaminov returns to Russia.
1837 Death of St. Herman of Alaska on Spruce Island.
1840 Consecration of Fr. John Veniaminov as bishop with the name Innocent.
1841 Return of St. Innocent of Alaska to Sitka; sale of Fort Ross property to
an American citizen; pastoral school established in Sitka.
1844 Formation of seminary in Sitka.
1848 Consecration of St. Michael Cathedral in Sitka.
1850 Alaskan episcopal see and seminary moved to Yakutsk, Russia.
1858 Peter (Sysakoff) consecrated as auxiliary bishop for Alaska with Innocent's primary see moved to Yakutsk.
1864 Holy Trinity Church, first Orthodox parish established on United States
soil in New Orleans, Louisiana, by Greeks.
1867 Alaska purchased by the United States from Russia; Bp. Paul (Popov) succeeds Bp. Peter.
1868 First Russian parish established in US territory in San Francisco, California; St. Innocent of Alaska becomes Metropolitan of Moscow.
1870 Diocese of the Aleutian Islands and Alaska formed by the Church of Russia with Bp. John (Metropolsky) as ruling hierarch.
1872 See of the Aleutians diocese moved to San Francisco, placing it outside the defined boundaries of the diocese (i.e., Alaska).
1876 Bp. John (Metropolsky) recalled to Russia.
1879 Bp. Nestor (Zakkis) succeeds John (Metropolsky).
1882 Bp. Nestor (Zakkis) drowns in the Bering Sea.
1888 Bp. Vladimir (Sokolovsky) becomes Bishop of the Aleutians and Alaska; ordination of first American-born Orthodox priest, Fr. Sebastian Dabovich.
1891 Fr. Alexis Toth, a Uniate priest, petitions to be received along with his parish in Minneapolis into the Russian Church; Bp. Nicholas (Adoratsky) assigned as Bishop of Alaska but is transferred before taking up his post; Nicholas (Ziorov) becomes ruling bishop of the Alaskan diocese.
1892 Fr. Alexis Toth and his parish in Minneapolis received into the Russian Church; Carpatho-Russian Uniate parishes in Illinois, Connecticut, and several Pennsylvania soon follow suit; first Serbian parish established in Jackson, California; Holy Trinity Greek Orthodox parish founded in New York; first American-born person ordained, Fr. Sebastian Dabovich.
1895 First Syrian parish in Brooklyn, New York, founded by St. Raphael of Brooklyn; first clergy conference, in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania.
1896 Bp. Nicholas (Ziorov) reports to the Holy Synod of Russia that "the commemoration of the Emperor and the Reigning House during the divine services brings forth dismay and apprehension among Orthodox in America of non-Russian backgound"; St. Alexander Hotovitsky appointed as rector in New York.
1898 Bp. Nicholas (Ziorov) returns to Russia; Tikhon (Belavin) becomes Bishop of the Aleutians and Alaska.
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Beyond Alaska (1900-1918)
1900 Name of Russian mission diocese changed from the Aleutian Islands and Alaska to the Aleutian Islands and North America, thus expanding its territorial boundaries.
1901 First Orthodox church in Canada, in Vostok, Alberta.
1902 Building of St. Nicholas Cathedral in New York.
1904 Raphael (Hawaweeny) consecrated as Bishop of Brooklyn, becoming the first Orthodox bishop to be consecrated in America; Innocent (Pustinsky) consecrated as Bishop of Alaska; first Romanian parish founded in Cleveland, Ohio.
1905 St. Tikhon's Orthodox Monastery (South Canaan, Pennsylvania) founded; Bp. Tikhon (Belavin) raised to the rank of archbishop; seminary opened in Minneapolis; Russian Orthodox see transferred to New York; Fr. Sebastian Dabovich elevated to archimandrite and given charge over Serbian parishes by Tikhon.
1906 In an ukaze dated January 27, addressed to Archbishop Tikhon, the Holy Synod of Russia confirmed the practice of commemorating the American president by name, and not the Russan Tsar, during divine services; blessing of St. Tikhon's Orthodox Monastery by hierarchs Tikhon, Raphael and Innocent; 1st All-American Sobor held in Mayfield, PA, at which the name of the Russian mission was declared to be The Russian Orthodox Greek-Catholic Church in North America under the Hierarchy of the Russian Church; translation of Service Book by Isabel Hapgood.
1907 Abp. Tikhon (Belavin) returns to Russia and is succeeded in his see by Platon (Rozhdestvensky) as Archbishop of the Aleutians and North America; Uniate Bp. Stephen Ortinsky sent to the US by Rome to stem the tide of Uniate returns to Orthodoxy; Papal decree Ea Semper issued, mandating all Uniate priests in American be celibate; first Sunday of Orthodoxy service in New York; first Bulgarian parish in Madison, Illinois.
1908 Church of Constantinople gives care for Greek Orthodox parishes in the US to the Church of Greece; first Albanian parish in Boston.
1909 Bp. Innocent (Pustinsky) transferred to Russia, succeeded by Alexander (Nemolovsky) as Bishop of Alaska; death of Fr. Alexis Toth.
1911 Minneapolis seminary transferred to Tenafly, New Jersey.
1913 Serbian clergy come under Church of Serbia.
1914 Abp. Platon (Rozhdestvensky) recalled to Russia and made bishop of Kishinev, after having received 72 communities (mainly ex-Uniate Carpatho-Russians) into Orthodoxy during his rule; Antiochian Metr. Germanos (Shehadi) of Zahle comes to US to organize parishes without the approval of his synod.
1915 Death of St. Raphael of Brooklyn; Abp. Evdokim (Meschersky) succeeds Platon; first monastery for women in Springfield, Vermont.
1916 Consecration of Philip (Stavitsky) of Sitka; Alexander (Nemolovsky) appointed Bishop of Canada with his see in Winnipeg.
1917 Ex-Uniate priest Alexander Dzubay consecrated with the name Stephen as Bishop of Pittsburgh; Archim. Aftimios (Ofiesh) consecrated as Bishop of Brooklyn; St. Tikhon (Belavin) elected Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia.
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Revolution and Rivalry (1918-1943)
1918 The Bolshevik Revolution throws the Church of Russia into chaos, effectively stranding the fledgling Russian mission in America.
1919 Southern Church Council meets in Stavropol at which Higher Church Administration was formed in Southern Russia; Second All-American Sobor meets in Cleveland, electing bishops for the Romanians and Albanians, pending approval from Moscow (which never comes).
1920 St. Tikhon of Moscow issues Ukaz No. 362; first session of the Higher Church Administration outside borders of Russia.
1921 34 ROCOR bishops meet in synod in Karlovtsy, Serbia, including Metr. Platon (Rozhdestvensky, primate of the Russian Metropolia.
1922 Church of Greece transfers control of its parishes to the Church of Constantinople; founding of Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America.
I don't know you so I will assume you have good intent re the schismatic comment. However, the first contact between strangers doesn't presage a good relationship when the label of schismatic is used, brother
Let's agree not to call one another schismatic, ok?
it was purely in jest. I generally only seriously mean schismatic when conversing with fringe spinter churches (like HOCNA or the FROC, etc)
thanks, brother
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