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Conversion of Jews to Christianity remains thorny issue for both Jews and Christians
Bend Weekly ^ | Nov 24,2006 | Bill Berkowitz

Posted on 11/25/2006 7:17:24 PM PST by Alex Murphy

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1 posted on 11/25/2006 7:17:26 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Jews are cool with me even though I don't personally know any. I do know the muslim saying of "First comes Saturday and then comes Sunday" and that puts Jews and Christians on the same side.


2 posted on 11/25/2006 7:22:03 PM PST by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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Jews and Christians on the same side? I guess, in some sense that might be true. After all they did give birth (so to speak) to Christianity.

Jesus was GOD incarnate, something that Jews refuse to recognize. I love the Jewish people and pray for them in their stuggle … mainly because they are GOD’s chosen people.

Because they refuse to recognize Jesus as the messiah, I have trouble equating them as equal to Christians.


3 posted on 11/25/2006 8:00:20 PM PST by doc1019 (Despite rumors to the contrary … GOD is still in charge.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I have a secret to tell you guys....Jesus said go to ALL THE WORLD and preach the Gospel...The plan it to not leave anyone out.


4 posted on 11/25/2006 8:05:57 PM PST by Onelifetogive (Ideas in tagline are closer than they appear,)
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To: cripplecreek

My step-father is jewish, and we tend to avoid conversations of this level. We stick to cars and movies and work.


5 posted on 11/25/2006 8:13:03 PM PST by irishtenor (Save the whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: Onelifetogive

The real issue is just to communicate the Word and let God do all the work. Without faith through Christ, nobody gets to the Father. Those who deny the SOn, do not have the Father in them. From Pentecost till the Great Tribulation, the Holy Spirit indwells all believers. Simply being of the Jewish race doesn't bring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Taht only happens by God for those with faith in Christ, Jew first, then the Gentile.


6 posted on 11/25/2006 8:21:45 PM PST by Cvengr
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As Paul said when he preached to the Jews..
" Seeing you consider yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles."

If they are interested show them the gospel but don't try to corner them. It will only drive them away.


7 posted on 11/25/2006 8:58:55 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best fire hose is an AK-47.)
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To: doc1019; Yehuda; the-ironically-named-proverbs2; Eagle Eye; Diego1618; Jeremiah Jr
Jesus was GOD incarnate, something that Jews refuse to recognize.

That's because it isn't true. Torah says that Hashem is one and He is not a man. Man-gods are of pagan origin.

9 posted on 11/26/2006 4:01:17 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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Unfortunately most Christian Churches have spent thousands of years turning a Jewish Messiah into a Gentile Christ and have tried to erase all of His Jewishness and His connections with the God of the nation of Israel. Then they want the Jews to convert to this Gentile Christ. Perhaps the Churches need to get the beam out of their own eyes first, and repent of their replacement theologies, before they can be helpful in this regard.

Jews need to be encouraged to return to the God of their fathers, the God of their part of the Book, and to find out for themselves from Moses and their own prophets who their Messiah was really supposed to be: their Jewish Messiah who would subsequently be embraced by the Gentiles as well.

Replacement theologians need to do the same thing. Instead of trying to propagate the myth that the God of Israel has abandoned His chosen people for the Gentiles, they need to search out the truth in the prophets as well.

10 posted on 11/26/2006 5:22:58 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Paul still preached in the synagogues as he traveled, though. He never stopped preaching the Gospel to the Jews.


11 posted on 11/26/2006 7:56:29 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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My jewish girlfriend's mother would like to see it the other way around. : )


12 posted on 11/26/2006 8:01:24 AM PST by YourAdHere (Democrats still stink.)
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To: Cecily

**Paul still preached in the synagogues as he traveled, though. He never stopped preaching the Gospel to the Jews.**

My thoughts is Paul was speaking of those specific Jews there.


14 posted on 11/26/2006 8:30:00 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn the best fire hose is an AK-47.)
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To: Uncle Chip; Alex Murphy

God HASN'T abandoned His chosen people, He is seeking them every second of every day...As Paul does tell us, He gave the Jews of Christ's time the first signs, the first opportunity to recongnize the Messiah...Some did, many didn't. God didn't force anyone (Jew or Gentile) to reject His Christ, they chose to do so on their own. The Gentiles of today are not trying to tell the Jews they have to reject their history, but rather to embrace the promises of the prophets that clearly show Jesus to be The Christ.

God used His prophets to deliver the promises of the coming Christ and yet many choose to explain Christ away as a "good man" of "wise instructor" but not the Messiah. If Jesus is not the Messiah, who possibly could be in this day and age which is one filled with a lack of devotion to God and one where news is shared world wide instantaneously? God promised thru the prophets that the Christ would be a man of little fanfare, a man despised by men and cursed to hang on a tree. Crucifixion is no longer an acceptable method of death, how will this be fulfilled? The list can go on and on about the prophesies of Christ that He has fulfilled that frankly, just can't happen in our world today. God knew the right time to have His Messiah be delivered to His peoople.

I would welcome all those who reject Christ to read the New Testament to see the promises of Christ manifested in it's Holy words. Read and see the promised Messiah literally raising from the pages fulfilling the words of the prophets and coming to us in person 2000+ years ago. Read and see the love of God and His mercy for us by giving us His only Son to be the atoning Sacrifice for the sins of many. The O.T. is flowing with the prophecies about Christ and Christ clearly fulfills them all.

I pray that all peoples of the Earth are brought to Christ Jesus and to know His Love as He brings us to know the Spirit and The Father as Triune God.

Lord Jesus Christ, please bring Your people home to You, bring them to the knowledge of The Way, The Truth, and The Life...

God's blessings to all...


15 posted on 11/26/2006 9:04:12 AM PST by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: doc1019
Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judaea: Jesus and The Jewish Resistance
16 posted on 11/26/2006 9:58:57 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Alex Murphy

Shame on Warren. How hateful of him to exclude them from the gospel.


17 posted on 11/26/2006 7:46:13 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Uncle Chip
Replacement theologians need to do the same thing. Instead of trying to propagate the myth that the God of Israel has abandoned His chosen people for the Gentiles, they need to search out the truth in the prophets as well.

Let me know when you come across a genuine "replacement theologian". I've never met one, myself.

18 posted on 11/26/2006 9:03:21 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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Well then let me introduce you to a few: D. James Kennedy and R.C. Sproul, who have declared that Israel has no special title to land in the Middle East, having been replaced by the Church. But of course, maybe they are not "genuine" replacement theologians, merely "pretentious" replacement theologians, but still replacement theologians nonetheless.


19 posted on 11/27/2006 4:22:11 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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Just for curiosity's sake, how do we know that replacement theology is wrong? The throne of Israel's earthly king sits empty, as does the Chair of Moses, and the Jewish priestly sacrifices have ceased. The Jews were scattered from their homeland, and only had it restored (artificially) in 1948. The lack of a continuous visible royal line troubles me most of all; certainly Christians see this as being fulfilled in Christ, Who will be King for all eternity (thus fulfilling the promise), but how do the Jews explain it away?

If it is as I understand it, I think that I believe that replacement theology is an appropriate view, but if someone could pass along more resources, I would appreciate it.

20 posted on 11/27/2006 5:40:26 AM PST by GCC Catholic
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