Posted on 10/30/2006 8:56:41 AM PST by Rightly Biased
Laying on of hands was not required. It was the practice at times but not always.
Same thing today.
Winning souls is what it is all about.....
In proverbs we are told "He that wins souls is wise"
Yes there are those listed tasks and not everyone is even called to be one of those you listed.
Jesus told us to go and be his witnesses.Hmmmm not listed?
So only an evangelist can win souls?
I do know what I am talking about and arguing about this issue takes us away as Southern Baptist from what we are supposed to be doing Winning Souls.
Please provide Scriptural support for that claim.
The reference to "that which is complete" in the verse is referring to complete revelation. That is the Word of God.
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In a word . . . HOGWASH.
That's an inference, an extrapolation, an assumption AT BEST.
And, it's a most implausible, improbable, irrational one, at that.
I'd rather others took up that proof. It's not a raging priority for me at the moment.
That would be interesting!
Perhaps when I carve out the time to bother.
Doing a number of things at once currently.
I have already posted my reasoning on this. I fail to see how it is irrational.
Yes, as a Berean I must search the scriptures to see if what you tell me is true.
First of all, the so called 'gifts' in Corinthians are not really gifts, that is just a poor KJV translation.
But think about it a moment...if the 'gifts' are gone, so would be the 'gift ministries (prophets, evangelists, apostles, pastors, and teachers). But we have those that bill themselves as pastors and evangelists, and sometimes even prophets. Are they fake?
None of those listed ministries are any greater than the other for the one that is needed and present is the greatest for the moment. Winning new souls isn't terribly important when you have a congregation of newly won souls needing direction.
But if we have any legitimate evangelists or teachers, then there must be some prophets and apostles out there somewhere, and if that is the case, then there must also be the need for the mis named gifts of the spirit.
Are there spirits? Is there a possibility that one might need to discerns the presence of spirit, whether from God or not and if not, the identity and whether one should deal with it or leave it alone?
Is there the possibility of needing a miraculaous healing?
One 'yes' is all we need!
I'm willing to listen to your argument but you will have to post scripture that supports ongoing revelation. Jesus Himself appealed to scripture whenever He was asked hard questions. The servant. as we well know, is not above his master. So, your own personal words and feelings are not authoritative, sorry.
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PING TO THOSE I CAN RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD ON THE END TIMES/PROPHECY/DREAMS/VISIONS PING LIST
I'm involved in enough tasks these days and particularly today . . . I'm unlikely to carve out that kind of time. Any of you willing to post the Scriptures per the above? Would greatly appreciate it. More than one of you would be grand.
If you're not but know someone who might be willing, please ping or FREEPMAIL them.
Thanks in advance.
LUB, THANKS BIG.
There are no apostles, since there is none alive today that have witnessed the resurrected Christ.
There. Let's read 1Cor 13:10 in context. We're talking about Love: The one thing that will remain, even after Christ returns, and we are all made perfect, in Him.
You see, when we are in eternity with Jesus, there will be no more need for prophesy, tongues, or even prayer. We will be 'face to face', knowing fully.
While we are here on earth, in our earthly bodies, we don't have perfect knowledge, therefore we are looking through a glass dimly, prophesying in part, being the imperfect people we are.
These gifts are nothing, he goes on to say, without Love. (Which is kinda the meaning of the whole passage.)
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Wow and interpretation consistent with Scripture; with Biblical prophecy; with logic; with solid Scriptural study habits . . . with reality.
Amazing on such a thread! LOL. /sat
THANKS TONS.
Nah. Doesn't influence me at all.
Convoluted juxtoapositions, extrapolations, inferences, assumptions
do NOT remotely come close to my notions of reasonable logical understanding thought processes.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
Now, Mary . . . such things just cannot happen! Pontificators who know better than Holy Spirit what Scripture means have said it's impossible. They MUST be right! /satire
Paul mentioned with his understanding and without. Works for me.
You are SO wrong and God is going to show us more and more miraculous things as we go into the end times. Don't close your mind to Him and what He intends to do.
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AMEN! AMEN!
I apologize. However my operating in the Gifts of the Spirit is a CURRENT thing, so your claiming as fact that it doesn't exist could be construed as arrogance. It's kinda like you sayin' that my kids don't exist. Does that make sense?
It doesn't bother me, though. It is, what it is. You're in a church that teaches that doctrine. Doesn't mean we are on opposing sides, in the big picture.
If you have made Jesus the Lord of your life, we're on the same team! I'll drop out of the conversation if I'm offending you. God Bless!
Now, now.
Biblically sound logic has no influence on certain biases. We have to keep that in mind! LOL.
Can you prove that?
No, didn't think so.
Where do you get the idea that there were only 14 apostles for ever and all time?
(Jesus...Paul...and the original 12)
It might be helpful to understand what an apostle is before you say there aren't any.
I do not appreciate your arrogance in this instance.
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I know that feeling.
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