As Speculation Mounts on Pre-Vatican II Mass, So Do Question Marks

National Catholic Reporter ^ | Oct 19 2006 | John L Allen Jr

[mockingbyrd]

I'll let my Latin teacher know......(ever read anything by Ben Wiker, he was one)

I think we would both agree that to say "large parts" of the Gloria are made up is not quite accurate.

I could argue with you over "men of good will", I don't see this as being a big deal.

Techinically worship does consist of blessing, adoring and glorifying.

Your only son is your only begotten son.

Their bad on omitting requests for mercy.

I still see this as more pathetic translation and watering down the beauty of the prayers, than an attempt to delibertly distort it. Thankfully, soon we will have a significantly better translation.

[Sem Student]

Good reply...I appreciate having points that I haven't thought of brought to my attention for further thought and study.

I do have a question for you though, ignoring the SSPX issue, would you agree that allowing both ways to offer mass to meet the needs of the faithful is a good thing? I don't recall seeing a post that you've done dealing with this issue directly.

I know that the exact content of the reported papal indult is still unknown but assuming that the document simply allows priest the right to say mass either way would you oppose or support such a document?

P.S. I don't know how long you've known about FR but this is only my second day...wow...since www.seattlecatholic.com shut down I've been looking for a new site that lists church stories such as this. Do you have any advice for similar ones?

[narses]

Of course, the President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission has made it clear that attendance at SSPX services does satisfy your Sunday obligation and it is not a schismatic or ex-communicable act. Rome and the SSPX are closer together than they have been since 1988 and this internal Church issue is being dealt with by the correct Church authorities. Letting angry and anonymous laity on the 'net tell you who is or is not Catholic is not the best road to truth.

[narses]

See http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/archive-2005-1130-hoyos-30days.htm and http://www.unavoce.org/articles/2003/perl-011803.htm

Points 1 and 3 in our letter of 27 September 2002 to this correspondent are accurately reported. His first question was "Can I fulfill my Sunday obligation by attending a Pius X Mass" and our response was:

"1. In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of St. Pius X."

His second question was "Is it a sin for me to attend a Pius X Mass" and we responded stating:

"2. We have already told you that we cannot recommend your attendance at such a Mass and have explained the reason why. If your primary reason for attending were to manifest your desire to separate yourself from communion with the Roman Pontiff and those in communion with him, it would be a sin. If your intention is simply to participate in a Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin."

Since the above, much has happened. My suggestion? Let Rome deal with the internal issues of the Church, avoid heresy and detraction and pray the Rosary.

[Sem Student]

I agree that I can not be convinced of something so easily through a thread on FR and I didn't mean to give the impression that I was convinced of bornacatholic's opinions. What I meant was that I enjoy having different arguments brought up for me to look into more so that I can get a better grasp of what the church truely teaches on many complicated issues. (It's a shame that not all issues are as black and white as direct abortion or gay marriage)

The reason I decided to get off of the SSPX issue is that I am curious as to bornacatholic's opinion on the reported indult and of the tridentine mass in general. The issue of SSPX, while important, was not meant to be the focus of my original reply to him, although I can see how it could be taken as such.

Thank you for your good advice about avoiding heresy and detraction and praying the rosary, I certainly am attempting to live all suggestions in my daily life and feel that while prayer can always improve that I am on my way to a more full and complete prayer life.

[bornacatholic]

When it comes to the Liturgy,I think that whatever the Living Magisterium decides is a good thing

I read a lot of diff sites at diff times. But I always read this site daily.

One thing I would advise is for you to go to the Holy See's website and sing-up for the free "Vatican Information Service."

Who better to read when it comes to what Holy Mother Church desires?

[Sem Student]

Amen!